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What if MMR didn't exist?

Ok sure but why··7 votes·3,569 views

I know this is just gonna get downvoted by all those "But I was lucky enough to get Platinum 5 years ago! Why should I have to continue to work to keep it?" people, so just get it over with.

What if the amount of LP you gained/lost wasn't determined by your MMR, but just the division you're in?

So like, everyone in Bronze 5 would get 30 LP on a win and 10 on a loss. Because let's face it; you need to be really shit to be down there. B4 would be 29/11, B3 would be 28/12, B2 would be 27/13, B1 would be 26/14, etc.

Everyone in Silver 5 would get/lose 25/15. Because people with that sort of winrate deserve to be down there.

Everyone in Gold 5 would get/lose 20/20. A nice, steady 50% winrate for normal players that deserve to be in Gold. Instead of this sick MMR system that sticks first-time Ranked players in Silver 1 MMR to completely fuck anyone who tries climbing out of it.

Platinum 5 would be 18/22, since you'd need to be a little better to survive being there, right?

Diamond 5 would be 16/24, since you'd need to be extra good to get there.

Masters and above would just be 14/26. Let's see how many of the lucky bastards stay up there.

You might ask, "How does a Masters person maintain a steady 65% winrate when playing against other Masters players?" Good question! If someone isn't able to handle such harsh, demanding requirements, then that person doesn't quite deserve to be a Master! Just as if someone is unable to have a lower-than-25% winrate, they shouldn't be stuck in Bronze 5!

11 Comments

Marothennan4 votes

MMR and rank shouldn't exist together. It should be one or the other. Imo there should be only MMR like it was before, rank being decided solely by MMR

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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MMR and rank shouldn't exist together. It should be one or the other. Imo there should be only MMR like it was before, rank being decided solely by MMR

and then you realize that your "rank" means literally nothing and it's nothing but eye candy. You are matched based of your MMR, you gain LP based of your MMR literally every single thing that is matchmaking related is based on your MMR with rank only being there as a way of more easily seeing where you are in relation to others other than some random number

Marothennan1 votes

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and then you realize that your "rank" means literally nothing and it's nothing but eye candy. You are matched based of your MMR, you gain LP based of your MMR literally every single thing that is matchmaking related is based on your MMR with rank only being there as a way of more easily seeing where you are in relation to others other than some random number

Yeah but you can legit be diamond with plat mmr or something like that so for most people it's confusing and misleading which is dumb. It's completely pointless so it should be removed

Telosen2 votes

In a simplified explanation, MMR IS your rank. Your LP gains are directly based on your MMR and the MMR of the enemy team. MMR determines LP gains and losses, which determines rank. Not the other way around.

I think the scenario you are describing would literally result in the same distribution we have right now since your winrate is always relative to the current MMR you are at. Golds beat silvers more than they beat golds, so they will always stay gold because of their LP gains. The same applies to any other division.

If your MMR was shit and you lose games while having shit MMR, you will lose rank because you are losing to people WORSE than you. Your Rank will begin to reflect the fact that you are losing to people WORSE than you.

Now reverse the scenario. If you start to beat people better than you more often than not, you will have a positive winrate, and you'll gain more LP than you lose, thus increasing your rank in the long run.

Also most Masters/Challengers still have 52-57% winrates over thousands of games per season. The only ones with abnormally high winrates get challenger in 200 games and then log off for weeks.

5050BS3 votes

Problem is that Smurfs fuk up that and so do Trolls and Scripters and stoners and drunks. I didnt lose most losing games because I wasnt bad, or even that my team was. More often then not its because of one or more of the above.

CinnaBon Kittenz2 votes

If the pros can get up there every season regardless, and you can't don't bark at your allies. Be the player that can win despite it all, if you can't I'm sorry but maybe thats why you don't win with those issues. I get afks and I still win games by carrying them. I have stoners, drunks, and other druggies and i win despite all their issues AND I even still have fun and keep them happy in chat. Finally smurfs are not in every game, even if they are in every other game, thats enough for you to still keep climbing. Finally Trolls are nothing if you carry before they make issues and those 10 deaths by 5mins feeders/trolls are very rare. You need some faith and alot more positivity because this current amount will destroy your vision of what really is the issue.

5050BS1 votes

.... You are S5 You have not even seen the light of the troll fest of mid Silver

TheLegendaddy1 votes

This would not really change anything in the big picture as it would still be chalked up to RNG for progression. That's what it is already.

0 Hogapu1 votes

I can't agree with the +/- lp repartition Last season, I climbed from plat3-ish to D3. My mmr was really bad, gained +13 and lost -19, making it impossible for me to climb higher than D3, even though I had 55% winrate. I'd rather MMR to be explained to know why/how to get more LP's, instead of seeing that i am going to be stuck just because I was not in the same division last season. (btw this season I am at +22/-14, no logic at all)

5050BS1 votes

IKR I go on a losing streak and Im getting +20/-18 I go on a Winning Streak I get +18/-20

ZephyrDrake1 votes

if MMR didn't exist then you would get even more one sided matches

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