PSA: I'm not going to go support Rakan just becuase you picked Xayah ADC...

SwiftKitten88·Apr 9, 2017·105 votes·5,557 views

Be happy you got a support who isn't autofilled.

-Support Secondary

94 Comments

Sp33d Zer0Apr 9, 201730 votes

I'm not going to pick Xayah just so you have extended w range.

Sincerely, An ADC who expects you to play what your best champ is.

RavenMagusApr 9, 20175 votes

No, but you bet I'm going to play Rakan even if you're not playing Xayah.

Honestly, they both get one minor bonus with each other. It's a good bonus, but it's not a dealbreaker for either champ.

MasterxTrollApr 9, 20172 votes

This is an understatement, the attack speed buff for both is actually pretty good and the gap closer could make for some sick baits, not to mention, their CC chain is actually broken, Rakan dashes in, if lucky its a double knock up, if a double knock up, Xayah Qs one champ, autos the other, Rakan ults them both and then Xayah presses her E, so you are knocked up and then charmed and then rooted while taking trucks loads of damage, if Rakan only managed to get one on the knock up then just as Xayah Q-AA-W-E easy kill, sure any kind of CC from any kind of supp can enable this but the possibility of a double knock up followed up by a nasty CC chain is too good

Sp33d Zer0Apr 9, 20171 votes

But he can do that exact same combo with ashe, varus, kalista, jhin, (mf to an extent)...

Most supports with CC synergize well with adcs with cc.

LooknookApr 9, 20174 votes

"Most supports with cc synergize well with ADCs"

(Fixed that for you :p)

Sp33d Zer0Apr 9, 20171 votes

In some way or another, but supports with CC tend to pair BEST with adc's with some form of lockdown as well, just as enchanters tend to perform best with adc's that are purely damage output.

LooknookApr 9, 20171 votes

I mean Lucian Braum is like a classic kill lane and Braum provides little more than CC. It really comes down to how the support empowers the Adc to get their damage out.

Sp33d Zer0Apr 9, 20171 votes

That's why I said tend. There are obvious exemptions, like soraka and kalista for example. Looking at it it looks like there is zero synergy until you think about how kalista can save the most targeted support in the game out of being caught.

SpoofghoulApr 9, 20172 votes

Sion ima charge right tru that dumb charm

CHOOO CHOOO

let's see if a phoenix can cry

just need mah trusty Thresh sup for 100% wifesteal and we will be fine

SteelflameApr 9, 20172 votes

Thresh's 100% wifesteal doesn't work on Xayah. She keeps refusing to be his wife (They have a quote talking about it).

Sp33d Zer0Apr 9, 20172 votes

I feel like the AS Xayah gives Rakan is REALLY underwhelming. Plus the fact that Xayah really gets nothing out of the duo, but Rakan gets two bonuses.

HethaleanApr 9, 20178 votes

They both get the empowered recall.

Also I think the bonus damage is doubled from 20 to 40% on both, so Xayah gets that bonus.

DeathBurstApr 9, 20171 votes

Also I think the bonus damage is doubled from 20 to 40% on both, so Xayah gets that bonus.

I'm pretty sure it isn't...

HethaleanApr 9, 20175 votes

Well, I got it from wikia here. They do what I would describe as 'extensive testing' to see how things work. Copy and pasted from there.

Deadly Plumage COST: 60 / 55 / 50 / 45 / 40 MANA COOLDOWN: 16 / 15 / 14 / 13 / 12 Deadly Plumage ACTIVE: Xayah surrounds herself with a storm of feathers-blades for 4 seconds, granting her bonus attack speed, 20% increased damage on her attacks, and 30% bonus movement speed for 1.5 seconds whenever she attacks a champion. BONUS ATTACK SPEED: 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50% If Rakan is nearby, he will also gain Deadly Plumage, in turn increasing the bonus damage on each of them to 40%.

DeathBurstApr 9, 20171 votes

Hmm, it's strange, it's not indicated by Surrender@20. I don't know which one is right, but I guess it's more likely Wikia.

HethaleanApr 9, 20171 votes

I would lean towards wikia since they try things out while I think surrender at 20 does so much already that they don't test the interactions of abilities so much. I think they focus on number changes, and special interactions. They'll look at the data files that Riot has which can sometimes be lacking in their in depth description.

SteelflameApr 9, 20171 votes

It's true, because the Deadly Plumage attack will come from both of them even if only one attacks.

SegiusApr 9, 20171 votes

Wait how much faster is the recall?

HethaleanApr 9, 20174 votes

Whoever starts the recall first gets the full 8 seconds, then the other can join in and just start in from however long the other has left. So if Rakan starts recalling, he'll recall for 8 seconds, then lets say at 3 seconds Xayah can join at 3 seconds and they join their recall and recall 3 seconds later.

Smitty ManjensenApr 9, 20171 votes

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I'm not going to pick Xayah just so you have extended w range.

Sincerely, An ADC who expects you to play what your best champ is.

Surprised the support sheep didn't downvote you.

SwiftKitten88Apr 9, 20172 votes

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Surprised the support sheep didn't downvote you.

you see... that's your problem. this isn't about "supporting", its about people playing properly with champs they know how to play... and not screwing over their team because "Ooo synergy" but having no idea how to freaking play the champ

if i DO play rakan, support and YOU don't know how to play Xayah, i would be ANNOYED if u picked her. as ANY decent ADC should be annoyed if thier support went rakan while having no idea how to play him properly

you're completely missing the entire point.

Smitty ManjensenApr 9, 20171 votes

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you see... that's your problem. this isn't about "supporting", its about people playing properly with champs they know how to play... and not screwing over their team because "Ooo synergy" but having no idea how to freaking play the champ

if i DO play rakan, support and YOU don't know how to play Xayah, i would be ANNOYED if u picked her. as ANY decent ADC should be annoyed if thier support went rakan while having no idea how to play him properly

you're completely missing the entire point.

So, what is the point? All I see is threads from support "mains" who bash adc players directly or indirectly all over the boards, that is happening the last 2 or 3 seasons very frequently. Support players circlejerking each other any chance they can, while downvoting and blatantly insulting adc players. Also the guy was downvoted by 2 people which I can guarantee are support mains.

Mira Arya EntheApr 9, 201715 votes

Upvote farming morality speeches from support players as usual. Yes we get it, the entire game needs to bow down and worship you because you play a role in the way it was intended to be played.

SwiftKitten88Apr 9, 20178 votes

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Upvote farming morality speeches from support players as usual. Yes we get it, the entire game needs to bow down and worship you because you play a role in the way it was intended to be played.

I main Nidalee , do you honestly think I CARE about upvotes?

ModKnightsKemplarApr 9, 201713 votes

The livestream made both champs look really competent without their partner. That was my biggest concern when they said they were doing a pair of champs, but I think they really managed it nicely.

I agree. Don't bother picking Rakan unless you want to play Rakan.

ArakadiaApr 9, 20174 votes

It's like you shouldn't pick X champion in Y niche role just because an LCS player did it, because they knew what they were doing and you don't.

You should pick a champion you know well, even if their not an LCS pick.

boo910Apr 9, 20174 votes

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The livestream made both champs look really competent without their partner. That was my biggest concern when they said they were doing a pair of champs, but I think they really managed it nicely.

I agree. Don't bother picking Rakan unless you want to play Rakan.

but rakan does get indirectly nerfed if xayah is not his partner because then the dash ability is shorter

SociopathFriendApr 9, 20179 votes

Is the loss of a buff a nerf?

ChaoticPineconeApr 9, 20175 votes

Yes.

Having a Zekes or a Knights Vow without your partner is a nerf. Kalista without having an Oathsworn is a nerf. And Rakan without having Xayah is a nerf. Well, maybe "nerf" isnt the right word, but its not the encouraged playstyle nor does it allow you to utalize all the strengths of the champion, while having no (or at least, very few) foreseeable benefits.

NarzghalApr 10, 20171 votes

It's the other way around, because he gets an extended range is it's to Xayah, otherwise it's normal. Saying it is a nerf isn't right because the ability doesn't read "if he isn't dashing to Xayah the range is half."

KilanostApr 9, 201710 votes

I'm not going to gank for you just because you ping and flame.

Sincerely, A jungler who doesn't give a fuck

lol

SwiftKitten88Apr 9, 20171 votes

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I'm not going to gank for you just because you ping and flame.

Sincerely, A jungler who doesn't give a fuck

lol

yeah I'm also a jungle main I know that feeling as well, I'll gank when i can make a difference, when i can accomplish something by ganking.

KilanostApr 11, 20171 votes

lol the joke was really I'm a jungler main reading this and realized this does not at all pertain to me.

AirKingNeoApr 9, 201710 votes

Sorry I'm asking not demanding. Maybe this whole "supports are victims, ADC's are toxic" meme has gone to far.

-Sincerely, someone who was fed up with bad supports who wouldn't lane pressure, then suddenly got good supports but bad teams.

LauchmelderApr 9, 20174 votes

Good supports are gods and don't need to complain on the boards about their treatment after all.

KrigjerApr 9, 20178 votes

Well, IM picking Rakan every time I've got a Xayah on my team.

Flirt with me baby!

101100111000Apr 9, 20176 votes

PSA: I'm not going to go adc Xayah just because you picked Takan support..

Be happy you got an adc who isn't autofilled.

-ADC secondary

SwiftKitten88Apr 9, 20175 votes

I must be in the wrong section of the forums... because people here are actually posting logic...

LimrickApr 9, 20175 votes

I wouldn't expect you to, the buff they get together is tiny, and it seems to me like Xayah will synergize better with champs like Naut and Leona who give her tons of set-up time by holding them hostage.

ShadòwApr 9, 20175 votes

http://i.imgur.com/Rhdqr.jpg?noredirect

The LovelessApr 9, 20172 votes

TeCoolMageApr 9, 20172 votes

I'm not going mid Rakan either just because the support didn't

Be happy you got a mid who isn't boosted.

-Mid Primary

KhadaverApr 9, 20174 votes

I don't need Rakan when i'm going Xayah mid.

-Mid Primary

Supreme Senpai69Apr 9, 20171 votes

You're not taking her mid when you're in my games

-Xayah support main also challenjour smurf

TeCoolMageApr 10, 20171 votes

You're not taking her support when I'm a meta slave

-Freelo abuser who doesn't deserve current rank

LongHair FoxApr 9, 20171 votes

I would think Rakan is going to work best with mobile champions that allows him escapes in ganks and he can follow in teamfights. This makes xayah one of the worse adc he can support if not for the synergy between them.

Ark SorcererApr 9, 20174 votes

Caitlyn, Ashe, Miss Fortune, Quinn (in battle), Varus and Jhin would be worse because of their lack of mobility (I included Caitlyn because she will likely use her E as an escape. Using it offensively is situational). Xayah has the natural kiting in her that can help with movement speed if not dashing.

In that case, maybe Kalista would be best with both the natural kiting, passive, and dashing, again passive. Wait...

Actually... Kalista ults, Rakan goes in, uses his knock up for a double chain knock up, he ults, uses q, and backs of to Kalista... Ahh... I think I found who Rakan's best partner is.