Why is Elixir of Wrath the only one that resets?

The Bearded Bard·Mar 26, 2015·66 votes·4,170 views

Title. None of the other elixirs reset. Ruin probably shouldn't reset on kills or assists, maybe on tower destruction instead, but the rest of them should reset on kill or assist like Elixir of Wrath does.

See a lot of you comparing the elixirs, ignoring the fact that Wrath might just have the best stats of the four. The 25 AD is a pretty good chunk mid game, but what's really great about it is the 10% AD vamp. That shit's insane on AD casters. You're really going to compare that to what mages get? 25 true damage with a five second cooldown. Really? I'll take 10% spellvamp over that any day. And don't even get me started on the "It's better because mages can take down towers now!" AD champs do more damage to towers at all points of the game.

42 Comments

NarasimhaMar 27, 20157 votes

It has a reset because it really has the weakest bonus effect of all the Elixers. Iron is ideal for tanks, Sorcery lets mages wreck towers, and Ruin is great for split pushers. Wrath is just a bit more healing. Nice, but nothing super special. So it gets another effect in return.

DigivolveMar 27, 201517 votes

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It has a reset because it really has the weakest bonus effect of all the Elixers. Iron is ideal for tanks, Sorcery lets mages wreck towers, and Ruin is great for split pushers. Wrath is just a bit more healing. Nice, but nothing super special. So it gets another effect in return.

isn't it like 25 ad and 10% of any damage dealt.

idk man on adcs at least 10% lifesteal is pretty massive.

NarasimhaMar 27, 20156 votes

Oh don't get me wrong, its not BAD, but its certainly not on the level of the other Elixers. The rest of them provide unique buffs that really can't be obtained anywhere else. Extra Tenacity, bonus damage to towers (well, dragon buff, but other than that), and true damage for mages. But all Ruin gives is... physical lifesteal. Not exactly outstanding.

1st HanarSpectreMar 27, 20155 votes

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Oh don't get me wrong, its not BAD, but its certainly not on the level of the other Elixers. The rest of them provide unique buffs that really can't be obtained anywhere else. Extra Tenacity, bonus damage to towers (well, dragon buff, but other than that), and true damage for mages. But all Ruin gives is... physical lifesteal. Not exactly outstanding.

I don't think it's honestly a big deal, but wrath gives spell vamp from AD spells, something that AD champion can not get anywhere else. It's plenty strong without the reset.

El Condor PasaMar 27, 20153 votes

AD scaling champions can still get spell vamp from revolver, gunblade, and WotA and benefit from that spell vamp, but it's not optimal to build AP when they usually scale off of AD.

1st HanarSpectreMar 27, 201511 votes

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AD scaling champions can still get spell vamp from revolver, gunblade, and WotA and benefit from that spell vamp, but it's not optimal to build AP when they usually scale off of AD.

Yeah, go ahead, build a fucking wota on Graves. lol Yeah, I thought so.

j jMar 28, 20151 votes

mate ill build whatever the french toast I want you hear me? wot u mad?

I GONNA FK ON UMar 27, 20159 votes

That moment when someone posts something redundant for the sake of arguing.

El Condor PasaMar 27, 20152 votes

Are you talking about my post or the reply to my post?

If you are talking about my post, what part of it is redundant? AD champions can get any of those spell vamp items and they will heal a percentage of their abilities' damage so long as it doesn't apply on-hit effects (i.e. the ability applies spell effects e.g. Grave's Buckshot). Elixir of Wrath provides something that could be thought of as spell vamp only for physical damage spells. Saying that an AD champion can't get spell vamp anywhere else is completely untrue.

YOLO420SWAGSCOPEMar 27, 20152 votes

You're missing the point completely. Of course its POSSIBLE to get benefits out of spellvamp items as an AD Champion; it's just not PRACTICAL. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing, and that's redundant.

junglerboy16Mar 27, 20151 votes

It isn't even Spellvamp strictly speaking (just heals for physical damage dealt from any source), so for someone like Sivir whose Ricochet ability doesn't proc lifesteal or spell vamp, it is actually REALLY good.

B1naryB0tMar 28, 20151 votes

Shhhh... Don't tell Riot what makes my Talon so strong.

Champion SkinMar 27, 20152 votes

Well... item 2138 Iron Elixir is good.... but it doesn't actually do anything unless you get hit by a lot of CC and slows and unless you are leading the charge

So if you are a tank against a low CC team you could consider item 2137 elixir of Ruin (for the HP and the buff to minions as the % damage increase against towers won't do much for a tank)

DivewingMar 27, 20153 votes

It's actually really disgusting on things like Talon and Zed if they are only a little ahead. Thing is they usually snowball so fucking hard they back on 2k gold every time...

RikariMar 27, 20152 votes

Its not lifesteal. It heals on ALL physical damage. so its spellvamp on ANY physical damage. It shouldnt have its reset either way.

youngjake93Mar 27, 20151 votes

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isn't it like 25 ad and 10% of any damage dealt.

idk man on adcs at least 10% lifesteal is pretty massive.

Graves, Zed, Pantheon and others actually get WAYYYYYYYYY more than 10% lifesteal would give them. The 10% healing is applied to all of the damage Graves does with his ult and buckshot into the whole team.

aaronconlinMar 27, 20157 votes

Healing for 10% of all physical damage dealt is pretty far from weak.

ThryaleMar 27, 20151 votes

pity the effect only works when you dmg champs.

Loken StoneheartMar 27, 20151 votes

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It has a reset because it really has the weakest bonus effect of all the Elixers. Iron is ideal for tanks, Sorcery lets mages wreck towers, and Ruin is great for split pushers. Wrath is just a bit more healing. Nice, but nothing super special. So it gets another effect in return.

The stat values are roughly the same between Wrath and Sorcery. Sorcery then has the 25 true damage, but then if you take into account that it isn't just 10% lifesteal, but 10% of all physical damage-- they're roughly the same value in grand total, but Wrath gets resets.

The Bearded BardMar 26, 20154 votes

Bump. Also, instead of making the other elixirs reset on kill and assist, you could make it so Wrath is lost on death. That would appeal to a more high risk/high reward elixir, which is how I like to think of Elixir of Wrath.

DivewingMar 26, 20152 votes

Didn't realise it didn't drop on death, it probably should. And you pretty much answered your own question, it's primarily there for snowballing (Talon gets one and goes on a serial killing, snowballing like a crazy mofo), even if no one really uses it as such.

The Bearded BardMar 26, 20153 votes

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Didn't realise it didn't drop on death, it probably should. And you pretty much answered your own question, it's primarily there for snowballing (Talon gets one and goes on a serial killing, snowballing like a crazy mofo), even if no one really uses it as such.

Then it should be lost on death.

n810mMar 27, 20151 votes

Maybe instead of lost on death it loses 30 seconds instead?

Meeks011Mar 27, 20153 votes

Cause Rito is racist against red things.

NoMonkuMar 27, 20152 votes

I feel item 2139 doesn't need reset potential because I see a lot of support champions get this. If it was like item 2140 and it could extend its time, all they'd have to do is buy this once they hit 9 and as long as the support roams, they can easily maintain it, giving them extra power they don't need. item 2137 and item 2138 give tankyness and add bulk/objective control, which is incredibly powerful.

I do think item 2140 should lose its reset power on ARAM, though. You can basically keep it up indefinitely once you hit 9 because of all the action.

slôwMar 27, 20152 votes

It has no tower pushing buffs so putting a reset doesn't make poke comps too strong.

If it did have tower pushing buffs it would make split pushing way too effective when people transition into late game control

ABlueQuakerMar 27, 20156 votes

It grants AD. How is that NOT a tower pushing buff?

slôwMar 27, 20152 votes

25 AD is extremely small when you hit a tower compared to 25 true damage with sorcery or 15% bonus from ruin

ABlueQuakerMar 27, 20157 votes

Yeah, but that true Damage is on Champions with sub-1.0 Attack Speed - not Carries with close-to-capped Attack Speed.

SpongebobIsLifeMar 27, 20151 votes

good point.

KaipopMar 27, 20151 votes

its really dumb how mages dont get resets but ad champs do... i dont get why, they are both offensive type champs

ClatoVerataNictoMar 27, 20151 votes

I am saddened that when I made a similar post to this, it was downvoted to oblivion. I am happy that this one is doing better. +1

DeathToEcchiMar 27, 20151 votes

I'm of the opinion none of them should reset. Buff Wrath's stats a bit if needed.

Jesus is SaviorMar 27, 20151 votes

The reset is pretty garbage anyway, since it can't "reset" past its max duration. So if you set up a bunch of kills 30 seconds into the elixir and get a pentakill.... Nope too bad, you're only getting 30 seconds back.

It's the sole reason I stopped buying it until I'm full build. Because trying to force kills is already risky enough.

ThePlasticSporkMar 27, 20151 votes

I've never really thought the reset matters, anyway.

You're only really building elixirs if you're full build, so the reset is kind of moot because you're gonna always have enough gold to simply buy another one.

lasodamosMar 27, 20152 votes

it's the point, red elixir can be buy whenever u want because of the reset....

TotalJerkMar 27, 20151 votes

Elixirs are kinda bad lategame, which is when people go full-build, though. The only reason people even buy them lategame is because they have nothing else to spend their gold on. They are meant to be used midgame.

The Bearded BardMar 28, 20151 votes

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I've never really thought the reset matters, anyway.

You're only really building elixirs if you're full build, so the reset is kind of moot because you're gonna always have enough gold to simply buy another one.

Mmmm not really true. Supports get the mage one early on pretty often, and I see aggressive Zeds and Talons get Wrath all the time at level 9, with the resets they can keep it for quite a long time.

Tentacle LoveMar 27, 20151 votes

Well, the one that helps on tower destruction doesn't reset because towers don't reset.

OyddAWqJ5rMar 28, 20151 votes

item 2137 - doubled duration on structure kills; cuz you know how hard it is to make use of the super situational structure effect in 3 minutes? Pretty damn hard for how weak it (15%) is. item 2139 - increased duration on Kill or Assist (15 seconds + 1 per 3% missing mana) (Cuz #ManaTrade-offs) item 2138 - slightly increased duration (~15 seconds I guess) every time a CC effect is inflicted on the user by an enemy champion (10 second cooldown)

The Bearded BardMar 28, 20151 votes

Also can we stop pretending that AD champions don't hit towers harder than AP at all points of the game? Seriously, y'all are acting like it's some saving grace that AP can buy the elixir and hit towers for 25 true damage with their .8 attack speed. I'm sure Luxwith her Sorcery elixir will take out a tower faster than that 2.5 AS 300 AD Trist, no problem.