Still no news about marksmen itemization nerf ?

Dead flag blues·Feb 8, 2018·83 votes·3,643 views

I'm tired of getting crit by 700+ AD + 500 AP by statik shiv by an undodgeable thing

116 Comments

CoolKnightSTFeb 8, 201834 votes

It's a rather easy fix actually:

Nerf bonus attackspeed, attackspeed items are way to gold efficiënt for their price. Just keep the price but lower the attackspeed . Example: 10% on , 12% on , 12% on , 25% on , 30% on , 22% on , 30% on
Buff attackspeed / level, shifting their damage more into their lategame. Let's say raise the scaling / level with 0.5-1%. This would give them arround 8.5%-17% on max level. That would be more than enouge to ballance out the lost attackspeed from their items.

ProfDrDeathFeb 8, 20189 votes

Making ADCs more level-dependent is not necessarily a good idea. That actually emphasizes putting them in a solo lane with access to full XP.

Rather, would like to see Zeal upgrades get more expensive (2900-3000 gold)

The Yetii RiderFeb 8, 201815 votes

ADCs being in a solo lane is better anyway. If you had a dedicated 1v1 marksman lane with no supports to babysit them, that lane would be a jungler bloodbath. ADCs are so easy to gank and kill.

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 8, 201818 votes

Okay. And that's absolutely no fun at all for any marksman. "Oh, I'm here for the first 40 minutes as literally nothing but a walking bag of gold. How fun".

That's not balance. Gutting a class is not balance. Gutting a champion is not balance. Making an entire class feel like absolute and total shit is not balance. Giving junglers a lane they can just run to over and over for free, nearly effortless gold is not balance.

Kirius DarkFeb 8, 20182 votes

which is why you'd still need a support to babysit the ADC. if a team opts for a solo lane ADC to rush their level then theyre taking a huge risk to be an ATM for ganks

DedenneFeb 8, 20182 votes

Lol i main ad trist mid... its never a jungle bloodbath

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 8, 20182 votes

Because you're mid. There's a huge difference.

Mid is a tenth of the size of other lanes. Sneeze too hard and you'll launch yourself from one end of it to the other. I'm pretty sure Tristana can literally jump from one turret's range to the other's.

Botlane or toplane, though? Pfft. Yeah. Bloodbath.

CoolKnightSTFeb 12, 20182 votes

Adc's generally reach a higher level ones the support starts roaming and they catchup in experience very quickly ones the midgame arrives. Adc's where always level depended. The reason why they shifted to a duo lane was because their earlygame was to weak to survive on their own. I actually would like to see marksmen moving to a solo Q in some situations. This would again be a step further into making a teamcomp less marksmen depended.

Making attackspeed just straight out harder to get will hurt the crit ballance a lot. Currently riot managed to ballance out crit by adjusting the attackspeed numbers. If that's going to shift again it's going to hurt how realiable their damage will become.

JabaTheHatFeb 8, 20184 votes

Why is this a fix to burst? This only changes sustained damage. The burst is gonna be exactly the same.

Why not just nerf the passive magic proc damage like everyone else has been saying?

greekvandaLFeb 8, 201824 votes

LOve how adc players go around downvoting posts because they know they will drop 1000+ lp if the role becomes balanced again.

BârdFeb 8, 201838 votes

It's almost like low quality, low effort rage posts get downvoted by anybody who actually reads them.

greekvandaLFeb 8, 20187 votes

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It's almost like low quality, low effort rage posts get downvoted by anybody who actually reads them.

Low quality low effort role should also be gutted before the game dies out in the next year or two.

BârdFeb 8, 201822 votes

Lemme guess, you're one of those people who think "ADC is too ez all you do is right click"?

greekvandaLFeb 8, 20183 votes

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Lemme guess, you're one of those people who think "ADC is too ez all you do is right click"?

Yeah sadly because i started mainning it because i got fed up with the role and i wanted to have impact. So far the only adc i can't seem to do consistently on is Draven because of his bugs that ruin lane phase.

But still got 75% winrate on him.

KaìjuFeb 8, 201814 votes

Lol why did you stop talking after he looked you up? Caught lying got you that down?

greekvandaLFeb 8, 20183 votes

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Lol why did you stop talking after he looked you up? Caught lying got you that down?

actually he is the one who stopped talking to me after i shut him the fuck up. So yeah. I even named one of my accounts even tho i dont want people to know me aside toxicity and mentioned that i got banned even tho soft toms dont listen to people who get banned nowadays.

DisembarkFeb 8, 201818 votes

You have a 75% win rate on Tristana in Silver 3 flex queue when you're a Diamond player.

Gz dude, you really proved ADCs are busted!

This is your ADC [Ranked Solo] history in Plat 4, a whole 4 DIVISIONS below your actual rank

https://image.prntscr.com/image/GCBpgtENSeW-HOHRTPuEPQ.png

http://eune.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=joda225

^account you claimed is yours

zolikingFeb 8, 201819 votes

I'm tired of a post like this popping up every day.

AnateraFeb 8, 201829 votes

You're welcome to literally not click on them.

zolikingFeb 8, 201823 votes

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You're welcome to literally not click on them.

Really? Holy crap, good to know. I never realized that was an option. You opened my eyes to so many new possibilites, thank you!

No, seriously, people reiterating the same shit in a different thread everyday whether I click on them or not is nerve grating. If somebody wants to weigh in on an existing discussion then what's the point in posting a new thread, and starting it with such a trivial post? Seriously, how does it make sense? It's like walking by a stadium entrance with people swarming in and a giant banner reading "Dolphins, playful creatures or the menaces or the sea? Marine biology symposium with dolphins in the focus today!", sitting down in the bar a street down from there, ordering a beer and halfway through it standing up and exclaiming, "Damn, dolphins are so menacing!" How does it make sense?

AnateraFeb 8, 20186 votes

The boards are not bursting at the seams or desperate for space so that amazing discussion can take place. Seeing this pop up every so often is only harmful to you based on your own perception of it, which is ,ultimately, something that's in your control.

zolikingFeb 8, 20189 votes

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The boards are not bursting at the seams or desperate for space so that amazing discussion can take place. Seeing this pop up every so often is only harmful to you based on your own perception of it, which is ,ultimately, something that's in your control.

It's not harmful to me, never have I claimed it was. I'm just pointing out that posting like this is dumb and pointless. And while that's not "harmful" as you would say, it's kinda annoying. Sure what annoys different people varies, so this is not a factor in making posts like this, but most people tend to care about their image and how making a post makes them look like should be. That's the motivation for my response and the reason why I think the op should care.

AnateraFeb 8, 20183 votes

You're better off making your own thread. Convincing one person to not make a thread like this isn't exactly efficient.

zolikingFeb 8, 20187 votes

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You're better off making your own thread. Convincing one person to not make a thread like this isn't exactly efficient.

I'm not trying to convince anybody, that's impossible on the internet. I'm just making a point.

HexshotFeb 8, 20185 votes

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I'm tired of a post like this popping up every day.

Oh look another ADC main that doesn't want riot to nerf his free elo

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 8, 20189 votes

Oh, look. Another person who's literally never even played a single ADC in his life, and assumes that just because a person is sick and tired of borderline spam posts (which, if it were my choice, I would start counting these posts as spam and deleting them as they pop up, because they are spam at this point), he must be an ADC main.

Look at it like this: Everyone but people in the circle jerk are sick and tired of these posts. I honestly wish Riot would ban them unless they actually have something new to contribute.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 8, 20181 votes

I'm tired of adcs for two seasons now riot doesn't seem to do anything about this bullshit so we need to keep reminding them how fuckin retarded adcs and supports currently are.

zolikingFeb 8, 20184 votes

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I'm tired of adcs for two seasons now riot doesn't seem to do anything about this bullshit so we need to keep reminding them how fuckin retarded adcs and supports currently are.

You mean you can't just walk up to adcs and kill them but you actually have to be careful and use some tactical sense? You poor baby. There are some really arid regions in Africa, why don't you go cry them a river?

Critmaster GarenFeb 9, 20181 votes

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I'm tired of a post like this popping up every day.

well. were tired of having to deal with overtuned adc every day.

zolikingFeb 9, 20181 votes

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well. were tired of having to deal with overtuned adc every day.

So then go talk about it in an existing thread, don't open a new one any time the same idea pops into your minds.

RaoulFeb 8, 201816 votes

You still belive that RIOT has any intentions to balanced ADCs?

Cute...

FurriesAreHotFeb 8, 201810 votes

ADC main here. Please shift power around my items. I've said it before I'll say it again.

Infinity Edge is too big a spike, and easy to get early on, unlike the Mage's Rabadon's Deathcap.

Statikk Shiv is unhealthy for my class, which everyone has said why.

ADC itemization as a whole isn't diverse. At all. Its the same every game every character, with an exception of Kog'Maw.

If I'm stomping I get that easy Infinity Edge and win lane, then buy Shiv > RFC > lifesteal item

Otherwise Shiv > IE > RFC > Lifesteal item. Maybe if I'm feeling EXTRA SPICY I skip RFC.

Obviously, this is hyperbole, but I feel ADC lacks items that are there to adapt. All the "choice" items we have are hmmm do I get Armor Pen item 1 or Armor Pen item 2?

And in the miracle situation that kiting becomes an actual skill carries must have again, how about an item that promotes and rewards it?

Here's an idea that you can take with a grain of salt: PASSIVE - Escape Artist: After basic attacking an enemy champion, your next basic attack within 2 seconds gains bonus Armor Penetration (%, not lethality's flat!) based on how far you've traveled. (Self-imposed movement only, no displacements/thresh lanterns)

DiG JJFeb 8, 20188 votes

Just add an item that disables auto attacks for a little while. Aka Heaven's halberd. Amazing how much shit Dota 2 did right.

Dead flag bluesFeb 8, 201817 votes

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Just add an item that disables auto attacks for a little while. Aka Heaven's halberd. Amazing how much shit Dota 2 did right.

Just bring the DPS (damage per second) back and not BPS (burst per second). This is fucking ridiculous to get 3 shot by a ranged shit who doesn't even need to aim / wait for cooldowns

greekvandaLFeb 8, 20185 votes

It's funny how you think i have asingle account and i speak out my ass. Many board member know me and i'm in a discord with board member and i post gameplay frequently. you can check my 3rd acc called Joda 225 if you wanna see if i play adc or not. And i'm not playing on this acc till late season in case you wonder. + I picked up adc during late late preseason after not playing adc for 3 years and i've already mastered it and i got an acc to d4 with it which got banned few days ago. ( 14days )

Avios1Feb 8, 20186 votes

good for you..?

greekvandaLFeb 8, 20182 votes

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good for you..?

Who even talked to you let alone cares about you? lel get lost.

ZedUsanGovosFeb 8, 201813 votes

Name checks out tbh.

DisembarkFeb 8, 201812 votes

Lmao. Your win rates are bolstered up by the fact that you spam Silver 3 flex queue.

Looking at your ranked solo, even on that account, you lose way more than you win with ADC.

"adc is busted because I can beat Silvers while I'm diamond, haha proved idiots!"

I actually think some people on boards might be mentally disabled.

Auz the RipperFeb 8, 20185 votes

Riot has no intention of legitimately nerfing anything ever again. They will deal with this problem by buffing everything else and then all will be well

(I kinda wish I was being sarcastic but it’s actually looking like this is how they’re gonna deal with it)

Dead flag bluesFeb 8, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Auz the Ripper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sKyokHnI,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-02-08T14:50:55.254+0000)

Riot has no intention of legitimately nerfing anything ever again. They will deal with this problem by buffing everything else and then all will be well

(I kinda wish I was being sarcastic but it’s actually looking like this is how they’re gonna deal with it)

So basically no news yet ? I was just asking if something is planned, since I'm not always up-to-date with the current informations, it's not just another rage post. This is crazy that they've been allowing this for so long...

Auz the RipperFeb 8, 20183 votes

judging by what they're doing with the mage items, it looks like they're setting the marksman items as the standard

deadlychuckFeb 8, 20184 votes

and they'll alienate more of their audience, then when they realize that constantly making everything stronger isn't sustainable game design, they'll try to reverse direction and lose the portion of players who wanted everything stronger, but the players which wanted everything weaker will be long gone.

Oh, sorry they already did the first part, they're just stuck digging their hole deeper.

ResolutionFeb 9, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Auz the Ripper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sKyokHnI,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-02-08T14:50:55.254+0000)

Riot has no intention of legitimately nerfing anything ever again. They will deal with this problem by buffing everything else and then all will be well

(I kinda wish I was being sarcastic but it’s actually looking like this is how they’re gonna deal with it)

Haha! If everything's broken mentality, nothing is!

Sadly, this is the route they're going - with everything constantly getting damage buffs.

Hextech OwIFeb 9, 20184 votes

Just dodge their cursors lol

ChaddyFantomeFeb 14, 20181 votes

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Just dodge their cursors lol

they have auto attack option on :^)

Malicious FuryFeb 9, 20182 votes

Undodgeable?

Technically you can't "dodge" anything. They took dodge out of the game years ago because every build required it in your runeset and they wanted variety. ;^)

https://img.fireden.net/vg/image/1496/00/1496001352888.png

InfernapeFeb 9, 20183 votes

Shen Jax "huehuehue"

TacosrockFeb 8, 20181 votes

Jesus, one thing at a time. I’m just happy that they’re changing ap itemization and see how that shakes up the meta. Seriously, give them some time I’m sure they’re pressed to hell right now

deadlychuckFeb 8, 20182 votes

The problem is that AP itemization will likely be brought up to par with AD itemization if anything. Rather than them actually fixing the root of a substantial number of the games problems