Tenacity feels beyond useless

Dead flag blues·Feb 25, 2018·60 votes·2,486 views

Not sure if something changed during the recent patch, but even with , I'm permanently being cc locked as a melee.

23 Comments

greekvandaLFeb 25, 201832 votes

My friend let me fill you up.

Tenacity reduces pretty much all forms off cc besided KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS. The game is filled with KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS thus regardless of how much tenacity you have you WILL be perma cc'd. I play Garen every now and then and even with like 60%+ tenacity I STILL get cc locked.

TeCoolMageFeb 25, 20182 votes

Knockups should make your champ heavier (less movement and time knocked up/back)

Bladerunner7777Feb 26, 20183 votes

Camille 100% tenacity for thiccness alone

Tomoe GozenFeb 25, 20181 votes

Knockups/knockbacks/knockasides/airborne are all CC with two parts:

One part is a stun, that makes sure you can't move during the effect. The other part is moving your champion in a certain direction of the CC.

You can Cleanse the first part (the stun) and flash during the knock/pull effects and if that's how it works, i also assume Tenacity reduces the stun time of those effects so that you could move earlier.

LordGeovanniFeb 25, 20182 votes

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My friend let me fill you up.

Tenacity reduces pretty much all forms off cc besided KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS. The game is filled with KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS thus regardless of how much tenacity you have you WILL be perma cc'd. I play Garen every now and then and even with like 60%+ tenacity I STILL get cc locked.

that isnt as much a problem as that every body on the team has access to very effective cc even the carries and thus they layer it and you never get anywhere and thus do nothing if you dont have more than 350 range. or lots of short cooldown dashes

RainbowIceeFeb 26, 20188 votes

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My friend let me fill you up.

Tenacity reduces pretty much all forms off cc besided KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS. The game is filled with KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS thus regardless of how much tenacity you have you WILL be perma cc'd. I play Garen every now and then and even with like 60%+ tenacity I STILL get cc locked.

it doesn't stop freeze attacks either. By freeze attacks i mean things like lee sin's R stopping your character till his animation is done. There's a couple of attacks in game that sort of lock a target in the animation.

Praetor NotoriasFeb 26, 20181 votes

Leona's E, Zenith Blade behaves this way (don't tell the bronzies cause it's like a 2nd root)

Dead flag bluesFeb 26, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=silver 5 btw,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pusavbtn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-25T15:24:55.745+0000)

My friend let me fill you up.

Tenacity reduces pretty much all forms off cc besided KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS. The game is filled with KNOCKUPS/KNOCKBACKS thus regardless of how much tenacity you have you WILL be perma cc'd. I play Garen every now and then and even with like 60%+ tenacity I STILL get cc locked.

Thank you. I just really love Rakan and recently, I've noticed that engaging is extremely hard even with item 3800 item 3111 . Literally anything can cancel his W, can't move once R is activated (slow, stun, slow, stun, knock-up). I'm just extremely tilted when I flash-in with W+R, and seeing my W getting cancelled by literally anything, and then not being able to do anything until I die.

PoskeFeb 25, 201815 votes

Tenacity has been useless for 4 years atleast so good morning

Daddy AntsFeb 25, 201813 votes

Because everyone and their mother has a knock up.

Tenacity is useless vs knock ups.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 25, 201812 votes

Even worse if you’re an immobile melee, everything has a slow, root, stun, snare etc

TakaDamaFeb 25, 20186 votes

Tenacity is useless against suppression, airborne, and displacement as well as forced buffs I'm sure (Bard's R doesn't count as CC in game mechanics)

DorkunedAurasFeb 25, 201810 votes

I can at least respect Riot making it so that all Stasis effects are exactly the same, so everyone knows the timing with 100% certainty. Keeps things consistent.

OtterlyLostFeb 25, 20186 votes

I kind of feel like they should rework CC in general. Make it have diminishing returns, for example so people can just pile one CC after another ontop of someone and keep them in place indefinitely.

revliledpembrokeFeb 26, 20182 votes

That does sound kinda nice, but it's also one of the best ways to deal with those that are SUPER fed. So I am of two minds...

iTaLenTZFeb 25, 20183 votes

Too many knockups and other displacements and everyone running around with 45% cdr spamming their cc makes tenacity useless. Either kill or be killed.

Wînter FoxFeb 25, 20181 votes

I seriously forgot tenacity existed

no to toxicFeb 25, 20181 votes

There were 2 thread about the same thing. So I upvoted the one with the guy from the european server.

MorgManBasherFeb 26, 20181 votes

Rule of thumb, never buy mercs...they are useless. You are basically buying them for the MR if you do buy them.

Ashen RiderFeb 26, 20181 votes

That's why I take item 3009 . You can't be cc'd if they can't hit you with the ability in the first place.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 26, 20181 votes

The problem is that the amount of champions WITH CC has gone up so you're now more and more likely to go up against a comp that can perma CC you.

leakinbFeb 26, 20181 votes

knockup/knockback champs: Aatrox AurelionSol Alistar Azir Blitzcrank Chogath Diana Draven Galio Gragas Hecarim Janna JarvanIV Kalista Kayn Kled LeeSin Lulu Malphite Maokai Nautilus Nami Orianna Ornn Poppy Quinn Rakan RekSai Riven Shyvana Singed Sion Swain Syndra Taliyah Thresh Tristana Trundle Urgot Vayne Velkoz Viktor Volibear MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo Zac Ziggs Zyra