Game Hypothesis: Certain Champions Gain Higher Win Rates

Woodakoodashooda·May 26, 2018·9 votes·6,390 views

As their counters' play rates drop significantly.

Correct me if I am wrong.

20 Comments

MagicFlyingLlamaMay 26, 20184 votes

This is correct.

This is also why balance is a lot harder than the armchair devs here think it is. Buffing and nerfing things changes the balance of the whole game.

Champions also become better/worse if their counters are nerfed/buffed - most commonly seen with ADCs.

MorticianjohnMay 27, 20181 votes

Let the meta police itself. Who are we to say what is or is not OP.

IMO any champ that has less than 50% win rate should get buffed and any champ that has under 50% win rate should be nerfed.

If something changes in itemization, meta changes etc... and something gets over 50% then nerf it again. Use Platinum 3 and higher across all servers so the sample size is large enough.

They have made win rate adjustments enough to know that 5ms is usually between 1.5 and 2.5% win rate change or -15% ult CD can change a champion's win rate 1-2%. Just make small changes like this until each champion has a 50% win rate.

FOR JUSTICEMay 26, 20183 votes

no, this is correct.

flibitydooMay 26, 20182 votes

Pretty much.

Hypercarries like Kog'maw, vayne and trist became super dominant and popular when everyone started playing lulu and janna support.

Previously, when everyone was playing brand/zyra/malzahar support, picking a latescaling hypercarry like kog was suicide.

HyquiemMay 27, 20182 votes

Win rate never mattered. It’s the experience the player in the champ that impacts the champions power to oppress. The meta is carved all in winrates, the only reason people win with meta is b/c people littlery make a mindset it’s meta it’s strong. When it’s All OPINION.

AirKingNeoMay 26, 20181 votes

You aren't correct by default, which is what you're assuming for some reason.

Can you back yourself up with evidence, such as examples, and explain how that correlates?

Pierce The VealMay 27, 20185 votes

He put forward a hypothesis. I hope I don’t have to copypasta the dictionary definition of “hypothesis.”

AirKingNeoMay 27, 20181 votes

It's not a hypothesis when you say, "Correct me if I am wrong."

That means he's making a claim.

ZackTheWaffleManMay 27, 20182 votes

No, he's asking people to tell him whether his hypothesis is correct.

AlienPrimateMay 27, 20182 votes

Hypothesis and claim is exactly the same thing. Hypothesis is just something that you typically plan to test in order to prove whether it is true or not.

AirKingNeoMay 27, 20181 votes

No. A hypothesis is something not yet proven. A claim is saying it is proven.

Z3SleeperMay 27, 20182 votes

"Correct me [if this hypothesis] is wrong"

C'mon dude, not too hard to figure this one out.

AirKingNeoMay 27, 20181 votes

The statement, "Correct me if I am wrong" implies you are correct in the first place.

That is why it isn't a hypothesis.

Z3SleeperMay 27, 20181 votes

Even then that statement doesn't even imply that. That's just your own interpretation of those words as making a claim.

What it is literally saying is "Correct me if I am wrong", just read and interpret the literal meaning of each of those words for a second. It's not a statement assuming they are correct, it's a statement assuming they are possibly wrong.

The way in which it is spoken can change the meaning of it, as with any other word or phrase, but the default meaning is the above one.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/correct-me-if-i-m-wrong

used when you are fairly sure that you are right, especially as a way of politely disagreeing with someone

I know where you're coming from, as the phrase when spoken usually implies what you are saying. But in text form, all forms of it are possible interpretations and therefore you have to discern which one a person is using. Sarcasm and other tone changes that heavily affect the meaning of a word or phrase are absent in text form, so instead of assuming a certain tone when reading something, try to go with a default tone and usually you won't get stuff like this wrong.

Him saying it was a hypothesis was already a hint to which form of the phrase he was using.

PhDs NutsMay 27, 20181 votes

{quoted}

The statement, "Correct me if I am wrong" implies you are correct in the first place.

That is why it isn't a hypothesis.

lol no it doesn't. It implies that you think what you're saying could be true, but you aren't sure. A hypothesis is the exact same thing, but in the scientific world you put forth your hypothesis and your results from testing it at the same time.

Teridax68May 27, 20183 votes

It seems a dictionary definition apparently is in order:

"Hypothesis: an idea or explanation for something that is based on known facts but has not yet been proved"

It is possible to disprove a hypothesis using new evidence, and attempting to do so is in fact the most basic component of testing any hypothesis. Therefore, "correct me if I'm wrong" is not only appropriate for a hypothesis, it is exactly what you should be doing when presented with one. Where exactly did OP assume they were correct by default? I can agree that the use of evidence would have made this thread much more enriching, but that's not the argument you picked, as you decided to argue with the OP on semantics. On that note, if the OP had substantiated their claim with evidence, it would have already moved beyond the status of hypothesis, as it would have already undergone some amount of testing. You chose exactly the wrong way to start an argument on this thread.

RoberttheRobberMay 27, 20181 votes

If Riot nerfs most of the champions that counter a certain champion, then that champion will have a better chance of winning there lane, thus a better chance of winning the game.

Teridax68May 27, 20181 votes

I'd agree with this, though I'd also question its impact in a game like League. Not only does League have a very large roster of champions, the game itself runs on a design philosophy that aims not to make any champion counter another too hard (or at least claims not to). Therefore, the only cases where a champion's fluctuation in play rate and power would be enough to majorly affect that of another, would be in an environment where the latter champion would have a disproportionately high frequency of play. This is quite possibly an issue in competitive play, where only a fraction of the total roster is typically used, and where some picks are far more popular than others, but I feel it is unlikely to be anywhere near as much of a feature in standard play, bar perhaps some exceptions, namely in bot lane.