What if we put tanks mid

Moody P·Jul 15, 2019·5 votes·2,333 views

think about it

top lane fighters have all turned into antitanks, even the ones who have no business doing that
tanks have a much better time generally against assassins and ranged laners barring Klepto BS as well
it helps keep a tanks main value consistent; they round out a team comp
even if you get followed mid by say Darius you're a lot safer due to the shorter lane; being frozen out of CS is much less of an issue

put solo lane tanks into mid and let them be flex picks depending on where they need to be. Tanks should be usable in every role.

27 Comments

PxerkzaJul 15, 20197 votes

some tanks are viable mid sion galio (at least was)

you need lane prio mid tanks can't have lane prio (not good enough wave clear) so your jungler can't play without mid prio

you are gonna put 2 roles at a disadvantage just because you don't want to play against a darius

tanks need buffs not alternative positions

Moody PJul 15, 20192 votes

thing is that tanks in top need to be extremely powerful to be able to contend in soloQ meta

So how do you go about doing that without repeating the problems of earlier seasons where tanks become better bruisers

PxerkzaJul 15, 20193 votes

by reducing their damage and increasing their survivability

id happily trade the ability to 1 shot a carry with ornn if i could survive more than 3 seconds in a team fight

RalanrJul 15, 20192 votes

Where the hell are you one shotting carries as Ornn? What are you, three levels higher against a behind ADC?

PxerkzaJul 15, 20192 votes

do you want the math or what? ornn is more than capable of 1 shotting any adc that isn't kaisa or kalista

RalanrJul 15, 20191 votes

Yes, I want math and if possible, video evidence.

I’ve been playing Ornn a lot and I haven’t been one shorting any ADCs with my combo. I need maybe two brittle procs to really take them down.

PxerkzaJul 15, 20192 votes

zed and talon also 1 shot people by hitting their entire kit

by 1 shot i mean that using all your abilities on the adc and your damage is the only one that connects they will die

QW>AA>E>R1>AA>R2>AA

is 3 brittle procs 2 sheen procs maybe sunfire damage or %dmg more on your abilities if you have abyssal instead

W-E max @13 Sunfire + iceborn ~2.2k hp

(20+(1071.1)) + 16% enemy max hp + (18% of ornns max hp(400) +107(base) +107(sheen)) + 260(40% armor of around 400 armor =160)+107+ 175+ (175+18%)+(18%+107+107) + 38*(3-4)s

too lazy to calculate but when you factor in the non existent MR and Armor of ADCs (~25% average mitigation) you will find out that you can 1 shot a 1450hp target without resists (average adc health bar @13) that is if you hit everything sometimes you will not hit everything sometimes it will take another rotation of your W+AA

but ornn is more than capable of killing targets in 2 W rotations if he uses his ult and procs brittles properly

RalanrJul 15, 20191 votes

Ok, so this requires the adc to not be kiting (and ergo, not avoiding most of the kit) and requires a sheen (you said that this damage can change with abyssal but I only saw the sheen math)?

PxerkzaJul 15, 20192 votes

oh my god tank players are blind and can't hit targets properly

if you haven't played ornn you don't know how easy it is to land everything

RalanrJul 15, 20191 votes

I have played Ornn, I know his abilities aren’t exactly hard to land. But I also know they aren’t hard to avoid either.

PxerkzaJul 15, 20191 votes

i said adcs that aren't kalista or kaisa the rest are really easy to combo unless they flash but then flash isn't available every minute so good luck avoiding ornn the next time he finds your pretty face

RalanrJul 15, 20191 votes

So only ADCs with built in kiting or a speed boost can kite Ornn?

I feel like that’s kinda bullshit. Champions like Vayne should be able to kite him well enough. And most adc players should know how to kite.

Not to mention the support nearby.

PxerkzaJul 15, 20191 votes

nah vayne is also subjected to getting shit on because her mobility isn't good enough

Pika FoxJul 15, 20192 votes

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by reducing their damage and increasing their survivability

id happily trade the ability to 1 shot a carry with ornn if i could survive more than 3 seconds in a team fight

Cant reduce damage to increase survivability. Survivability is worse in solo than comp, so youd just break them for comp

PxerkzaJul 15, 20193 votes

yeah isn't that the reason they are shoving damage into our mouths now? with the latest changes to ornn it feels like i am playing a scuffed olaf instead of ornn

Moody PJul 15, 20191 votes

I have been playing a lot of Ornn lately, I have good success getting gage third or 4th to help with surviving

I know his shield was dumb to lane vs but you really notice how hard it is to survive in a fight without some multiplier like shields or damage reduction when you don't have either of them

Ahri BakaJul 15, 20192 votes

They already viable or was viable in all lanes Viable in jg , bot lane as support , top lane Mid ? Some like Sion Galio Gragas Nautilus Warwick And some of those Volibear Shen Ornn Garen DrMundo Chogath Kled Aatrox Urgot ( not all are tanks ) Were also viable in mid as counter picks to assassins to prevent them from snowalling and giving them real hell in laning

Critmaster GarenJul 15, 20191 votes

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They already viable or was viable in all lanes Viable in jg , bot lane as support , top lane Mid ? Some like And some of those ( not all are tanks ) Were also viable in mid as counter picks to assassins to prevent them from snowalling and giving them real hell in laning

most of those are picked exclusively into ad assassins and not mages, though.

Garen vs. any ad assassin is a very favourable matchup for garen, but mages just poke him and most of the other guys out, so theyre the opposite of what you want to fight.

just saying they CAN be decent mid laners into certain favourable matchups, but i wouldnt generally take most of them mid lane. galio is a different story, because he has poke and waveclear.

Ahri BakaJul 15, 20191 votes

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most of those are picked exclusively into ad assassins and not mages, though.

vs. any ad assassin is a very favourable matchup for garen, but mages just poke him and most of the other guys out, so theyre the opposite of what you want to fight.

just saying they CAN be decent mid laners into certain favourable matchups, but i wouldnt generally take most of them mid lane. galio is a different story, because he has poke and waveclear.

I did say they are viable as a counter pick to assassins , I did specify assassins They also work against champions like Kat and LB , even Ahri , champions that reply on snowballing

DGAGAAsharpAGDJul 15, 20191 votes

Feel free to start the new trend, I doubt it.

Moody PJul 15, 20191 votes

I would love to try it but actually gettin mid is impossible apparently, filled to second role or auto filled for the last 10 games I tried to get mid

DuskDaUmbreonJul 15, 20191 votes

Go ahead and try it to see why it's a bad idea.

Polaris IJul 15, 20191 votes

I did that with banner of Command and it was really good, I good use it then roam

nm1010Jul 15, 20191 votes

Most tanks can't push mid fast enough to be effective. You would lose priority in side lanes/jungle against a good opponent and that would lead to you losing the game pretty hard.

Critmaster GarenJul 15, 20191 votes

i think tanks are better off in the jungle, and support.

theyre fine top lane too, as long as the lanes are even early, and they get outscaled in 1v1 and split push by fighters later for having better teamfighting.

Moody PJul 15, 20191 votes

top lane tanks should probably have stronger early game somehow then if they are meant to be outscaled

Or we could just bring back noodling and solve most every problem here