...Without getting ganked by red buff full health junglers lvl 2~3 while im lvl 1 or 2 bot lane.
Please for the love of god gut the jungle already, they are so oppressive and they kill the fun of laning phase.
Just a reminder that the game is a 5v5 and not a 1v1 btw junglers, theres no reason for them to be so overpowered compared to laners.
Shuyin1782 votesYou must be new to the game if you don't know about the PBE and the jungle nerfs that are on it already.
RexSaur1 votesYou must be new to the game if you don't know about the PBE and the jungle nerfs that are on it already.
Those are first clear only, which really isnt enough.
Junglers are just god tier, this nerf will put them into S tier, which is still above every other role so yeah.
Shuyin1783 votesYou're complaining about levels 1-3 but say 1st clear nerfs aren't enough..... ok.
RexSaur1 votesYou're complaining about levels 1-3 but say 1st clear nerfs aren't enough..... ok.
Its one of the issues with it, not the only one though.
Shuyin1781 votesI think the rest of the issues stem from people not thinking, "I don't see the enemy jungler anywhere else on the map right now and I have no wards to watch my back from ganks, maybe I shouldn't push up to the enemy tower and stand there making myself an easy target."
HeeroTX1 votesNo, the issues stem from: "Enemy jungler is smartly aggressive and mine is passively eating a hamburger with a plastic spoon". The game right now comes down to "whose roamer is more effective", which means the lanes (ie. 4 other players) are generally irrelevant, unless the skill differential is extreme (in either direction).
Shuyin1781 votesPeople have to much of a, "I need my jungler so I can be useful" mentality. I'm more than happy to 1v2 or 2v3, bring on the jungle gank because the time spent on me is time not spent on other parts of the map getting things done.
HeeroTX1 votesPeople have to much of a, "I need my jungler so I can be useful" mentality. I'm more than happy to 1v2 or 2v3, bring on the jungle gank because the time spent on me is time not spent on other parts of the map getting things done.
I don't "need" my jungler, and I've gotten used to dodging them early. Unfortunately, I've also gotten somewhat used to 4-man ganks because the jungler either got THEIR mid fed. It has been VERY rare that I've had a game where I'm dodging ganks and my jg is being effective in other lanes. (unless they're desperate ganks where we're already snowballing) Most games either have TWO slow jgs (in which case its which laners are better) or one jg that is clearly more effective than the other and that team wins. (not even always "jg carry") But I don't think I've had any games where 1 jg has heavy presence in one lane and the other jg is using it to pressure other lanes (well), at best its "one jg has heavy pressure in one lane, other jg feeds (while presumably trying to gank)"
