Nerfs when? Hes broken af right now.
Inb4 lee mains with their bullshit "but he takes skill", no he doesnt, you cant outplay a insec or a Q R Q (because the R stuns you while it doesnt stun him as he can even flash to change the direction of the kick), its up for the lee player to fuckup rather than you outplay it.
N3mO0674 votesLee's r needs a normal cd, that's all.
Saianna18 votesThat would be a good start.
Unlucky4751 votesand to not have a 200% bonus ad scaling so he only has to build one damage item to 100-0 adcs.
nice table6 votesid rather touch the base damages than the scaling, tank lee is more annoying anyways.
WiegrafOfValor8 votesHard to find a "normal" CD for a 600 base dmg + 200% AD + 3 CC (knock up/displacement/mini-stun). Maybe 5 minutes CD would be fair.
Nameless Voice42 votesI'm just going to point out that a champion who is supposed to be insanely mechanically complex but only takes 5 games to break a 50% winrate (according to champion.gg stats) is not actually that hard to play at a decent level. Also, his winrate doesn't really change much after those five games.
Compare, for example, the winrate curve on Ryze, which is abysmal up until 15-50 games, and then poor up until the 50+ games mark.
PermabannedGaren5 votes[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OO8EB7TU,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-28T00:34:47.373+0000)
I'm just going to point out that a champion who is supposed to be insanely mechanically complex but only takes 5 games to break a 50% winrate (according to champion.gg stats) is not actually that hard to play at a decent level. Also, his winrate doesn't really change much after those five games.
Compare, for example, the winrate curve on Ryze, which is abysmal up until 15-50 games, and then poor up until the 50+ games mark.
He's overtuned right now, which means even mediocre to bad Lees are performing well, which is why he needs a nerf.
Baron Perenolde12 votesAs a mediocre to bad Lee, I can attest to this being true.
Zedex1 votesHow is he overtuned, they've not touched him in months. Can't say its because they nerfed his competition either, because the jungles been relatively quiet lately with champion buffs and nerfs.
Theres just no strongest jungler right now so because Lee Sin's kit is absolute horse shit he automatically takes the place right now, because every jungle main plays Lee sin.
PermabannedGaren2 votesHow is he overtuned, they've not touched him in months. Can't say its because they nerfed his competition either, because the jungles been relatively quiet lately with champion buffs and nerfs.
Theres just no strongest jungler right now so because Lee Sin's kit is absolute horse shit he automatically takes the place right now, because every jungle main plays Lee sin.
He was buffed in 6.18, proceeded to be a contested pick in Worlds (compared to last Worlds where I don't believe he was particularly good), and has been very strong since then.
Athenes Lulu22 votesMore like PSA: A Lee Sin ban is worth the ban right now.
DJMason881 votesMore than Rengar?
Athenes Lulu11 votesI would ban both, but since most people I come across already ban Rengar from both sides, just let them ban Rengar while I can get rid of Lee Sin.
DJMason885 votesToo bad there's only 4 bans rn, if you don't ban Rengar and Vayne its almost an automatic loss if they pick them.
Spoofghoul3 votesdon't forget about twitch man hes disgusting with runaans
Vesemir2 votesits not twitch that is disgusting. Its 
Dominick Destine10 votesHes broken af right now.
Right now?
He's been broken for years but Riot likes flashy champs, especially ones as faceroll easy as Lee.
IDefyYouHeartMan9 votesI mean
he still takes skill... but yeah I get what you're saying, put in some counterplay (I'm not a lee main fyi)
Dominick Destine9 voteshe still takes skill
No he does not.
He is one of , if not the easiest champ in the game to play... he is manaless, has built-in sustain and has multiple low cd escape mechanisms for if you royally screw up. What other champ is even remotely comprarable to that level of faceroll?
500000000000000012 votesHis skill floor is higher than most other champions. That's not up to debate.
Kosm1K2 votesYeah it is, but when a lee can toss Q's every which way, esp with CDR it gets pretty frustrating how much he can gapclose. Not to mention tracker's knife is basically made for him to be able to ward hop everywhere. Also as soon as he gets even one ad item, even the warrior enchantment, his ult fucking hurts, which is only aggravated by its high base damage late game. Sure 600 damage is nothing to tanks late game, but to adcs its 1/3 their hp, plus the bonus from scaling, pretty much one shots them with Q R Q, which is fairly easy to pull off.
Edit: I know he can pull of some amazing plays and those take skill, but for the most part, in lower elos, those plays arent needed and he can just stat check some champs to death
Tik1152 votesThey might as well make him unable to ward hop
I mean they removed it from Kat, might as well remove it from him too (And Jax too I guess for consistency)
That'll lessen a tiny bit of his bullshit
kile1474 votesI wouldn't call 5 games a big skill floor. According to champion.gg first time Lee player have a 46% win rate, that goes up to 52% within 5 games. That's certainly a noticeable winrate jump but it really doesn't take long to get that good.
A better example of high skill floor are champs like Gnar and Azir, who require 100+ games played before their winrates even reach 50%.
Catastrop4 votesSuch a highskill champion when he's being 40% of the time right? All those players just suddenly got good at Lee?
Very Hard Engage6 votes
you considered all of these when you picked right??????????? (armor tanks /scalers)
tiny text...... no you went ahead and picked several immobile squishes.
Jax Cramer26 votesNone of those has a 40% pickrate.
Nice troll post.
Very Hard Engage3 votesthats the point, you counterpick lee so easily. but you dont, instead you pick the same thing you always play.
in this case OP is an adc who predominately plays cait/kog maw, but does he build lifesteal.... nnnnnnuuuuuu
ShaolinToilet20 votesUnfortunately rammus and malphite get shitted on by Lee early making it a risky pick not a counter pick.
YumaS2Astral2 votesIf only Malphite didn't had an incredibly slow clear speed... (at least his clears were very slow before the jungle changes)
PlanetWarwick4 votesYasuo syndrome
Linna Excel4 votesI think he's taking advantage of the early jungle XP this season is offering. Unfortunately, he's one of the best early gankers there is.
Mountain Warden4 votesI think we've come full circle. Was it season 4 where Lee Sin was the topic of every QQ thread? As far as I know, he got hit with a nerf bat back then and hasn't been buffed since. He's a good champ but he's very beatable. I'm pretty sure he gets dumpstered by most juggernauts and assassins these days.
AHeroNamedHawke17 votes[{quoted}](name=Mountain Warden,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OO8EB7TU,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2016-11-28T04:13:14.731+0000)
I think we've come full circle. Was it season 4 where Lee Sin was the topic of every QQ thread? As far as I know, he got hit with a nerf bat back then and hasn't been buffed since. He's a good champ but he's very beatable. I'm pretty sure he gets dumpstered by most juggernauts and assassins these days.
V6.22 Jungle changed to significantly favour single target champions and encourage frequent ganking
V6.18 Iron Will Sustain values increased to 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30% from 5 / 10 / 15 / 20 / 25%.
V6.14 Safeguard Shield increased to 40 / 100 / 160 / 220 / 280 from 40 / 80 / 120 / 160 / 200
V5.16 Flurry Per-hit energy gain changed to 20 on first and 10 on second from 15 on both Dragon's Rage NEW EFFECT: Enemies hit by the target take (+ 12 / 15 / 18% of kicked target's bonus health) bonus physical damage
Idk dude, what could have occurred to bring this on?
Spoofghoul4 votesYou know whats really annoying about lee
the % of YOUR MAX HEALTH he deals in damage to allies when he kicks you into them
Here i am playing Sion building that health walking around with 7000 hp he kicks me into my team and kills half of them including the adc
its bullshit
9kPluzZ2 votesIf a fat dude in metal armor got kicked toward you I imagine you would take a lot of damage
Spoofghoul3 voteswell by that logic it should be lee flying away instead
MR KIMCHI SENPAI2 votesYou can flash the second Q.
Next
nm101017 votesAre you trolling? The tenth of a second (or less) you have to flash the damage is not exactly a reliable way to dodge it.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesI think he means that you can flash out of recast range. Lee Sin can't dash to any target he marked with his Q, he has to be in a specific range to do so. So if you manage to escape that radius, he can't dash to you.
Isn't really counterplay to burn a 5 min summoner spell to avoid the spammable Q from Lee Sin, though. I think that guy is clearly overtuned and deserves some pretty harsh nerfs.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesEspecially when lee sin can just wardhop that distance you flashed. HEre you wasted a summoner for getting killed regardless.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesyep he is really broken i just played vs lee sin as nunu jungle (i just chose auto fill every game cuz i dont care) and he started off like 7-0-2
he ended up 11-7-5 i went 5-7-11 as nunu
he lost
i won
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 voteslol downvoted for stating facts from my game
bring it on salty sea dogs
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
GULAG 4 U7 votesThe things that happen in your unranked games don't mean shit fyi
S H A Y C 02 votesyou cant outplay a insec
Do i need to get video or can you just take my word for it? [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Kharn Skyshatter2 votesAzir got nerfed for less and he had a smaller player base and was picked a lot in pro play for 1 year while Lee had been a world's staple since his inception.
DracosKasu2 votesHow to balance Lee Sin by riot.
When he isnt meta buff him when he doesnt need it When he is too strong, leave him broken because LCS
