Everytime Lee's "wardhop R Q-Q s" me i feel in bathed in awe

RexSaur··62 votes·3,102 views

Not in the awe of the lee player skill, but in awe on how riot hasant got rid of this stupid low cd 0 counterplay combo yet (YOU DONT EVEN NEED FLASH OR EVEN THE WARDHOP IF FLANKING! Only the barely over a minute ult CD at rank 1 lmao).

Look, im not even saying lee is a easy champion to play, and i respect you if you play him without using this "combo" (more like faceroll), but every single lee player i see nowdays is just garbage and just spam that braindead combo over and over for free kills to get fed, its just stupid.

Can we fix this riot? Make it so his kick doesnt also stun you for so long in place (make the animation faster) so you can actually attempt to dodge his following Q by the end of it (it would take a lot more skill if he had to hit a max range Q on a target that could move, even if just briefly than on one that is unable to do anything).

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Troy24262129 votes

To be fair, it does demonstrate the skill of Lee Sin players. They're adept at convincing people landing his skillshot on a stunlocked target is any harder than Annie flash ulting.

notice me Sin pi7 votes

the worse part is that Lee doesnt have to burn a 300sec cd summoner spell to do it

Yaśuo Main2 votes

his actual NOT faceroll combo's require it sadly, and so do his ganks in high elo lol

Slimegoon1 votes

Annie doesn't even need Flash after she picks up item 3152

Keevalroy1 votes

I still stand by my opinion that Protobelt shouldn't be an item. Its existence demonstrates Riot's hypocrisy in addressing mobility creep by adding a free Flash as well as power creep by adding extra burst initiation. I want to see a Red try and defend this addition to the game; please attempt to justify it's creation and approval without exposing your bias to making the pro scene look more exciting. Go on and try.

Avienal7 votes

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Not in the awe of the lee player skill, but in awe on how riot hasant got rid of this stupid low cd 0 counterplay combo yet (YOU DONT EVEN NEED FLASH OR EVEN THE WARDHOP IF FLANKING! Only the barely over a minute ult CD at rank 1 lmao).

Look, im not even saying lee is a easy champion to play, and i respect you if you play him without using this "combo" (more like faceroll), but every single lee player i see nowdays is just garbage and just spam that braindead combo over and over for free kills to get fed, its just stupid.

Can we fix this riot? Make it so his kick doesnt also stun you for so long in place (make the animation faster) so you can actually attempt to dodge his following Q by the end of it (it would take a lot more skill if he had to hit a max range Q on a target that could move, even if just briefly than on one that is unable to do anything).

Considering they are giving him a fancy contradictive skin to his blind monk style by basically having him as a 'god fist' niche type of fighter who achieved some enlightenment that basically throws away that gag i like with him where his eyes are 'always' covered to not only emphasize his blind look but a nice fun trope of how regardless if the character is blind or not, they still basically have their eyes always covered up all the time and yet have no detrimental problem with it.

I've been ranting plenty of times how LeeSin is one of those long standing champions who needs a stand-alone redesign just to curve back his 'freelo' capability which consists of built in burst sustain, attack speed auto empowering(which also combines into his energy recovery that lets him 'easy' recover energy via using his abilities on absolutely nothing and can strike anything including towers to 'recover' energy), multiple 'able to bypass wall actions', one of the few champions who still interacts with wards for silly traversing mechanics, A ultimate that is much more ridiculously easy to use then Tristana's version, except instead of knocking back the target and any enemies gathered around it, Lee can use it to knock a target towards his own allies, displace someone jumping on him and even deal damage to ally champions of the one knocked back to deal damage and a 1 second knock up if the target he knocked back slams into them.

This is also considering the fact that just like Hecarim, they are both champions who are basically played 100% in the jungle with only rare occasions where they are put in off-meta lane style builds which more then likely aren't going to be as effective when compared to a Full AP mid-lane Leona who can use her own kit of CC and what not to strongly harass a Yasuo from being a EZ pub stomper. I'm sure some person might disagree with me on my comment that the two of them can be played 'elsewhere' but unless they are more effective then the disgusting cheese they have in the jungle, that's kind of just white knighting when you say that. On top of them both basically playing tanks with usually only 1 damage item they basically select all the time and melt any squishie and can middle finger basically any opponent under a tower because of the shenigans they have compared to other champions.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

He's been long overdue for a retuning to make him healthy to go against.

Skias5 votes

This is the kind of plays that get you in the LCS. You pick that God Hand Lee Sin skin, R QQ and make that cool million. If some dude in SoloQ disagrees with your skill, you gotta flame them until they mute you. I'll write a guide in case anyone forgets any of these steps.

High Skill Cap LCS Million Dollars Matching Jumpsuits Laser Eye Surgery

Requiemsfire4 votes

Yeah but quite a few champions can pull something similar off like Ahri R R R W Q E

Velzard of Koz1 votes

And Ahri is equally being complained about

Hyelin10 votes

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Yeah but quite a few champions can pull something similar off like Ahri R R R W Q E

what the hell kind of combo is that

Melledoneus6 votes

The kind of combo that demonstrates that the person using that champion has no idea what they're doing lol

Thilmer3 votes

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what the hell kind of combo is that

The wrong combo, because Ahri should engage with her E first.

Keevalroy1 votes

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The wrong combo, because Ahri should engage with her E first.

If you're a puss that is. Good Ahri's know when they can go in for the kill and initiate with R Ignite and then follow up with a Charm.

Thilmer1 votes

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If you're a puss that is. Good Ahri's know when they can go in for the kill and initiate with R Ignite and then follow up with a Charm.

LOL.

Good Ahris can land a skillshot. Who the hell starts a combo with the ult and use the skill that causes CC last?

Keevalroy1 votes

....R, then E, W, Q, then R, R to either finish or escape. If you cast charm first, you risk them flashing. It's better to scare them first hopefully causing a reactive flash so you have a better chance of hitting it, and if they don't, you're practically in melee range do you shouldn't miss since they shouldn't have time to dodge.

What makes you think I'm suggesting using charm _last? _

Thilmer1 votes

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....R, then E, W, Q, then R, R to either finish or escape. If you cast charm first, you risk them flashing. It's better to scare them first hopefully causing a reactive flash so you have a better chance of hitting it, and if they don't, you're practically in melee range do you shouldn't miss since they shouldn't have time to dodge.

What makes you think I'm suggesting using charm _last? _

The first one mentioning Ahri combo said her combo is RRRWQE. It wasn't you, but it sounded so absurd.

Requiemsfire4 votes

It's so even noob ahri's don't even have to aim their charm that they can instead throw it into your face.

Euthenaasia3 votes

This needs to be downvoted invisible.

Mordepool4 votes

How my games go vs Lee sin.
Lane vs opponent, get ganked kill 1 die.
Get camped until I get second item then I roam to help my Team.

Die several times to LCS big plays while We take Objective after Objective After Objective. Get full build. Enemy nexus explodes

Endgame lobby I ask the 18/4 Lee sin how it feels not to be able to ward hop away from that loss

Hèntaî 2 votes

Bruh, you a savage

Mordepool6 votes

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Bruh, you a savage

Just a S1 Mordekaiser main tired of the Mobility creep that started with that blind guy (who's handicap seems only to come up whenever he wants a Parking space)

Chaotic Reks2 votes

Endgame lobby I ask the 18/4 Lee sin how it feels not to be able to ward hop away from that loss

https://media.giphy.com/media/pQmWjYrz39YAg/giphy.gif?noredirect

Euthenaasia4 votes

Remove wardhopping Problem solved Balance achieved

Keevalroy1 votes

"WAAAAAAHHHH! B-B-B-BUT IT'S HIS THEEEEEME!" - Lee Mains.

RFPSHBYQl73 votes

You can't even react to that... I play mage for example then some Lee Sin steps out an unwarded bush, presses R, then just Q-Q and E if needed. His ult is just stupid. It's not even flashable. Once he clicks it you are going to get hit unless you become untargetable. It still does a lot of damage so flashing away will still make you lose a lot of hp. Yes the flash saves you but you don't have flash every time but what Lee has most of the times is wardW...

FrostyPacy1 votes

You should be able to know where the jungler is

RFPSHBYQl71 votes

??? Late game

Gregor Gysi3 votes

Welcome to the club of people who abuse the Lee circlejerk, enjoy your upvotes.

Thilmer2 votes

The average Lee will use Q+Q+R and delete you. While they build 3 tank ítems.

Yeah, "balanced"...

Laxfan521 votes

But atleast you have the chance to dodge that combo by dodoing the first q. If Lee ults you he gets a free q

invisiblecat12 votes

In general I am sick of melee AD champions building 3 damage items, and 3 tank items, then being able to kill a carry in under 3 seconds And there are SO MANY these "skillful" champions

Jbels1 votes

I am now picturing a Lee Sin that kicks you out of the range of his Q (so farther than live), thus rewarding the Lee Sins good enough to get the kick into their team, and punishing the ones that get the wrong direction

FrostyPacy1 votes

You can flash before the q lands

Standgrounding1 votes

Wardhop R miss Q and walk away

That's what a typical Lee Sin does

FrostyPacy1 votes

Lee Sin has a 48 percent win rate so its not op

Lauchmelder1 votes

I wouldn't call him OP either.

I just call him overloaded. A gapcloser, a wardhop, a shield, lifesteal (?), a nuke and decent clear.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Winrate isn't all if you compare his playrate to it. Then you take his "high skill" into account and then you have a busted champ. It's not only bad players playing lee sin but even more bad players playing WITH lee sin who drag his winrate down because they can't end games fast with a fed lee.

Epicanian1 votes

we both know his "Shield" and "lifesteal" are flimsy af so don't act like that's what makes him broken

Laxfan521 votes

Why is it that Lee can have a high play rate and win rate but people always say he is hard to play (I think he has a high skill cap but his skill floor is too low).

FortisDominus1 votes

Lee is pretty fine right now and although I dont like lee either, I can find him tolerable. Also they are not going to nerf him right when a new skin comes out lol

GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

Lee is far from fine. How ridiculous his bases are you can watch in my latest swain game. The fact that a cinderhulk+pot lee sin can duel a swain and leona AND KILL ME in my fucking ult is so ridiculous. In the middle of the minion wave i heal like crazy but doesn't matter, stupid bases+execute dmg on his Q is enough.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

Uhhh

  1. post a video, no one wants to look for that game

  2. his Q and his R AD ratio's broken, they should nerf AD ratio on R and buff its base, then shift power from Q to E

Euthenaasia2 votes

Alright well your summoner name definitely speaks for itself. Moving forward, that's actually NOT the answer. Buffing his base numbers would only result in being able to build even tankier with less drawback. No.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

I'm only buffing his R to 200 rank 1 and reducing his AD ratio greatly, then shifting power from Q to E. And why do you say "numbers"? I am literally buffing one piece of his kit. You should STFU if you wanna use my username as an excuse for "reasoning". Please don't reply to me if you wanna be that stupid, especially to a day old reply.

Hèntaî 1 votes

Whats wrong with his name? >:l

Ulquiorra9951 votes

It has the same skill requirement, counterplay and the effect on its unfortunate target as that of Annie's flash + bear combo... Except it's up far more often since Annie is restricted to when she has Flash up.

Leaf on Bush1 votes

I guess you never saw a Lee Q-R-Q you because thats even cooler and faster.

JoeMG1 votes

Right? I hate when LeeSin ward-hops into a team fight, dodges the CC, singles out and ults someone, dodges more CC, lands his Q through the rest of the team, kills his target and ward-hops to safety, successfully dodging every other enemy teammate in the process. SO broken.

BasedJarvan4201 votes

Played against a cocky lee yesterda when I was playing Ezreal. He was super fed and trolling me.

Then I got iceborn gauntlet, manamune and ninja tabi.

Then I spam my mastery emote while killing him cuz he can't kill me anymore.

I do the same thing to their talon and twitch.

sparkytoast1 votes

I've been tossing the idea around in my head of making allied wards untargetable for about 3 seconds by non-summoner spells. I think that would allow a ton of balance changes regarding Lee and jax (correct me if i'm wrong, but I think they're the only ones who can still do that) as well as possibly allow braum to hop too since it won't be instant.

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