"My champion has a 53% win rate with a 30%+ pick rate that is p/b in competitive play? LULU ISNT OP stop crying ASSASSIN MAIN LUL" Except lulu is good against everything atm.
"Lulu is only good because of lethality is so strong" Yes, lethality is good in 7.5, right lmao, who are you trying to fool?
"But lulu got no changes lately, its just the meta!!!" No changes except the multiple buffs she got in a row over multiple patches.
Thilmer20 votesThe problem is when a support gets nerfed incredibly quick because is a support, but other champs can be OP for a long time without suffering a proper nerf. Some champs can be overpowered for whole seasons.
woodvsmurph20 votesLulu is not broken. She's good, not broken. Vs shield-based supports, you trade when their shield is on cd. You exploit their lack of healing and their low to moderate damage. You playing a shield sup vs lulu? Stop complaining. You playing a tank? land cc and kill the person who doesn't have the shield on them. Don't fight when the shield is up. Simple as that. You playing a damage mage? Try to fight when her shield is down, and exploit your much greater damage you can deal. Lulu simply outscales many other supports if her adc is aa based and not caster based because of all the aa buffs support items can give: shields, healing, lifesteal. Hell, you could technically do the same thing with support orianna or kayle if you really wanted.
People are so fickle. Vayne was broken as hell to start pre-season/season this year, then people complain about vayne. Then she gets nerf and adc in 2017 meme begins and cotc makes tanks broken. Then tanks get nerfed and adc's complain about bruisers and assassins being too strong because of lethality while abusing lethality themselves. Now lulu is making aa adc's viable again and everyone complains about lulu? Make up your minds people.[zombie-brand-facepalm]
Taliyah Rocks19 votes''Paper is ok but Rock is so OP! nerf plz QQ''
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sobi99916 votesIt's time to circlejerk about traditional supports being OP. We really need them nerfed since they are completely dominating the bot lane like mages are.
Niyumi14 votesLulu is strong in a meta that revolves around one shotting the carries. Who would have guessed?
Last changes Lulu got were a small AS steroid if she casts W on her teammates, and a slight buff to her PASSIVE damage. Would either of those make her absurdly broken? No? Hmm... Oh before that her damage on her Q was gutted but got a stronger slow. Totally broken.
Ahristocats3 votesLulu is strong in a meta that revolves around one shotting the carries.
Lulu is outclassing every enchenter, and every lane bully but i guess it's fine
even if she's permabanned
Niyumi5 votesLane bullies that bully better than Lulu:
Enchanters that outclass Lulu:
See, here's the thing: Lulu is a generalist. She can do a bit of everything, but isn't particularly great at any one thing. She also has no sustain, and her shield has a lengthy CD. So, pick someone long range, with a lot of bullshit damage that she can't sustain though, (Sona, Nami, Zyra, Brand, etc.) and wow, you won. However, pick someone who relies on going in and one shotting the carry, and you won't do a whole lot if the Lulu is any good.
As for her "unavoidable damage"... if she gets in range to cast E on you, and actually chooses to use it on you instead of her carry or herself (meaning you're not pressuring at all), then you deserve to get hit by that. Her Q is easily avoidable since it moves so slowly -- and if you stand behind minions it does FAR less damage too.
If you wanna talk broken supports, let's look at Alistar, Nami, Sona and Zyra -- with a bit of Janna thrown in depending on how you think.
Miku Hime sama6 votesSona can't bully anyone outside of bronze. She has the lowest damage bases and scalings of any support champ. At 50 AD, she's tied with Soraka for weakest support basic attacks. Her lone damage spell at 40 is the weakest support damage spell in the game. Compounded with the fact only 3 other supports have just 1 damage spell; 2 of those being tanks, Braum & Taric; and the third being Bard who literally already outclasses Sona in every sense short of basic attack range, INCLUDING damage, has infinite scaling on top of all that and as a matter of fact is up for both incoming damage AND CC buffs so that he can outclass her even further.
Anonagon13 votesIt's not just Sona and Lulu mains.
Janna mains: So what if my champion has maintained one of the highest winrate in the game for years on end? I'm just a lowly support, I do no damage! I'm so squshy oh what ever shall I do if someone tries to kill me? It's not as if I have four spells entirely dedicated to cockblocking the shit out of enemy damage dealers!
Papa Andrei11 votesA champion has 4 spells designed to just kill the enemy (Katarina) A champion has 4 spells designed to stop killing. (Janna) Whats the issue?
ProfDrDeath1 votesThe thing with Janna and her high performance is, she is one of those champions that really benefits from the rather uncoordinated nature of solo queue. She excels at denying and modifying plays and engages, which is what a lot of uncoordinated teams rely on to win - as these things require the least amount of communication and team coordination.
In more coordinated play, she's not nearly as good. Her tools are still strong in their intended purposes of disengaging, but they are not nearly as good at anything else: Howling Gale makes for a horrific offensive tool due to its slow and predictable nature, Zephyr can only be cast on an enemy champion, and using Monsoon to split up a fight strategically requires putting Janna into a position where she REALLY does not want to be.
Now, could Janna theoretically be changed to be less impactful in solo queue and better in coordinated teams? Certainly - just make Q noticably faster after charging up, give Zephyr the ability to be cast on allies to transfer the speed boost, reduce Eye's AD buff or duration to compensate...but then you make Janna even more similar to Lulu.
Clementine13 votes"OMG supports are OP!!! wtf rito why aren't you balancing the game around competitive play!!" is coming from the same people who also say "OMG you main support? you get carried every game!" and "UGH, another autofilled support on my team!! why doesn't anyone play this role?!"
yawn, washed up adc player that doesn't even play league anymore crying about Lulu
ModUlanopo13 votesGod forbid a support champion should be anything but mediocre.
Murl0ugh8 votesThis. People are always saying support is least important or relevent role and immediately cry for nerfs when one actually stands out.
Leave Lulu and her 53% winrate alone.
RexSaur3 votesThis. People are always saying support is least important or relevent role and immediately cry for nerfs when one actually stands out.
Leave Lulu and her 53% winrate alone.
Nobody says that other than low elo support players.
ModUlanopo8 votesNobody says that other than low elo support players.
The true measure of a person is whether or not they can lift themselves up without pushing others down.
Canidae12 votesinb4 ppl remember that Soraka is a champion
Standgrounding8 votes
Go home.
chipndip16 votesBasically the number one thing I tell my team to build as soon as I see her, Swain, or Vlad.
HowPlayGAEM12 votesMan what the fuck is up with you people and Sona.
Sona's competitive presence is basically 0, she's a joke of a champ.
Thilmer6 votes[{quoted}](name=OMG halp meh plz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pJ2IVdlZ,comment-id=001a,timestamp=2017-03-23T22:11:39.299+0000)
Man what the fuck is up with you people and Sona.
Sona's competitive presence is basically 0, she's a joke of a champ.
I'm mastery 7 with Sona and I have seen her suffering multiple nerfs, yet I keep seen people in the fórums complaining about her Q.
"OMG, one of her four skills does damage, that is sooooo broken!!!" In a moment of the game when you can often find Annie support and Brand support, complains about Sona's damage are basically: "Wtf, man..."
Pika3104 votesFor realz though. Annie has a single-target with 80 base damage and an AoE with 70 base; Brand has THREE damage spells at 70, 75 and 80 damage each respectively and both of these "supports" have pre-6 stuns.
Yet somehow Sona having only 1 damage spell and that spell at 40 damage having literally the lowest base for any support damage spell in the entire game, is somehow a "damage threat," a "lane bully" that somehow "blows people up." The sheer blind prejudice that the bleating masses have against Sona is truly unfathomable.
Glory ln Death5 votesI have legitimately never seen anyone on the Boards complaining about Sona, except to complain that she is weak and garbage in higher elo.
derpychocolate212 votesSona best support, trust me I have a pHD in being a weeb and having her as my waifu
Meep Man11 votesI think this is definitely meta related personally as far as which ADCs are strong and who is answering those threats. I would be saddened if Lulu got anything more than small nerfs.
WinTheWarOnPants10 votesIt's not her though, it's this aids full AD meta. lulu is an interesting sup in that she is good against the same champs she is good with. So in a meta where everyone is playing those champs, lulu is gonna be good.
Sincerely, someone that hates lulu
edit: also 
and 
xxxDogmanxxx10 votesAh, I see the Gameplay circlejerk continues. Last week it was Ahri. So this week, it's Lulu. I wonder who next week's circlejerk victim is gonna be.
Fairyfleur9 votesSo, you know that every Lulu main is like this? There's no need to stereotype.
Challenger Ahri8 votesThat sounds like almost everyone that mains a champion.
TNHA Baritone8 votesI love how none of you guys were saying a thing about Lulu until now. It's hilarious. I'm not saying that Lulu isn't very strong, but its funny because if the same thing would happen if it were ANY other champion that is not currently weak.
Nymzo8 votesI'm kinda scared because I don't want Riot to actually nerfs enchanters.
Just nerf even more already, or rework it that would be even better.
THE RlVER KlNG7 votes
Ahristocats5 votesjhin 48% win rate 15% pick rate
0% ban rate
lulu 53% win rate 32% pick rate in diamond+
29% ban rate in diamond+
LyingOnLine7 votesSona still 51% winrate in Diamond+
Still nonstop whining from the circlejerk.
Ahristocats7 votesSona still 51% winrate in Diamond+
congratulation, you listed a win rate without pick rate and ban rate
now, if you posted this to tell me to stop asking for a sona buff, ask any master tier adc/support main if sona is viable and screenshot me the reply
LyingOnLine5 votes5% pickrate, basically no banrate.
Now, if you posted this to tell me you're still going to be whining and circlejerking about how Sona is the worst anything ever, ask any Rioter on the balance team if they plan on balancing around a population of .001% of players who don't even see pro play then screenshot me the reply.
Ahristocats7 votesif they plan on balancing around a population of .001% of players
i already have the answer, they balance around every elo which means if she's trash in master they will buff her in master without breaking her in low elo
LyingOnLine2 votesThey'd have to nerf her in other areas then.
Ahristocats7 voteswhich is what i asked 150 times i think, she needs a rework to make her viable in high elo
chipndip11 votesYou realize this is a meta where Lulu is strong, right?
Sona naturally beats Lulu in lane while scrapping. To the very least, this is the one time I'd expect Sona to look good.
Yuzuki Yukarin6 votesUnfortunately, the problem is that Sona has been repeatedly nerfed and then nerfed again so much, even her favorable matchups have negative winrates. Despite being theoretically strong against Lulu, Sona just doesn't have the numbers to take advantage of the opportunity presented.
THE RlVER KlNG15 voteswhen Jhin was blatantly OP people said he was only strong 'because of the meta' or that he is 'too well designed to be OP' alongside tons more bullshit simply because he has a massive playerbase
this thread is about mains making inane excuses for overpowered champions, which is what jhin mains do when he is too strong
and Jhin has a 22% pickrate
crippler385 votesto be fair, if they ever get the numbers right Jhin has one of those kits that has counterplay in it meaning it'd be great.
granted I doubt they'll ever get the numbers right but hey it's a start.
AirKingNeo1 voteswell jhin's problem is the passive scaling
Thilmer3 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pJ2IVdlZ,comment-id=001300000001,timestamp=2017-03-23T20:50:39.469+0000)
when Jhin was blatantly OP people said he was only strong 'because of the meta' or that he is 'too well designed to be OP' alongside tons more bullshit simply because he has a massive playerbase
this thread is about mains making inane excuses for overpowered champions, which is what jhin mains do when he is too strong
and Jhin has a 22% pickrate
And if you think Jhin mains are bad, take a look at Lee Sin mains, Zed mains and Yasuo mains. "My champ shouldn't be nerfed because he requires lots of skill".
(I know Zed finally got nerfed, but during season 6 every thread about Zed was hilarious).
Slythion2 votesWhenever Lulu is good, she's good for everything. I'm pretty sure the only thing Lulu doesn't have in her kit is a heal, which I could even argue her Ult does so like...she's basically the best of the best at everything when she's meta
edit: incoming lulu players
Sadistic Veigar2 votesWhenever Lulu is good, she's good for everything. I'm pretty sure the only thing Lulu doesn't have in her kit is a heal, which I could even argue her Ult does so like...she's basically the best of the best at everything when she's meta
and I hate it
I hate her
Well her ult is the textbook definition of heal, so.... :^)'
Slythion7 votesnah, a heal is replenishing lost hp. Lulu gives bonus health but not replenishing.
A slight difference that accomplishes essentially the same thing, but not a "textbook definition of a heal"