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This is the logic of riot balance team!

Giggling Granny··2 votes·203 views

Shyvana 3.2% Popularity 52.1% WinRate 0.3% BanRate

Cho 10.4% Popularity 51.9% WinRate 40.9% BanRate

According to riot a champion that have 10% pick ratio 52% win ratio and 41% ban ratio is balanaced

But a champion with 3.2% pick ratio 52% win ratio and only 0.3% ban ratio is needed for nerfs

That come from the person who is the head of the balance team This people are the one who balance the game and for some reason we need to trust them? when they have logic like that? i mean they make that logic base of what? because shit you can argue with me you can argue with what ever you want BUT YOU CANT NEVER argue with NUMBERS and the numbers HERE TALK

And the best of it was the line "Stoneplate Cho gath ideraction is fine we dont see any problem with it and cho got hit hard from the nerfs in 7.15 i mean we reduse 1% of max hp and 20 damage from his E" which only make him increase his ban rate and win ratio because simple this nerfs meant nothing because his problem is how much damage he does how much tanky he gets and the ideraction with locket and stoneplate....

But shyvana need nerfs ok guys! Because as you can see the whole 0.3% of the players dont want to play with shyvana so we gonna nerf her...

But over 40% of the players dont want to deal with cho? PERFECTLY balanced!

explain that logic i mean for real i guess rito really want to see cho in worlds...but guess what riot if some team pick cho in worlds is not because "DIVERSITY" its because he is broken..and pretty much easy win...and trust me nobody wants to see broken champion with 0 to little countrplay being picked in worlds because its not like they pick him to make something good they pick him because he is broken..simple as that..and this is not diversity this is just picking a broken champion that riot refuse to nerf....

If a team pick xin or AAtrox or what ever never picked in worlds champion it would mean that this champion offers a gameplay and creates a diversity..

Picking Cho is like " i pretty much can do everything tank/support/assasin/tank killer/jungler/objective control/etc"

But like i say lets nerf shyvana

Oh and if someone is gonna be like "Shyvanas win ratio increased 3% because of the buffs and this is huge yada yada"

I would like to tell you that Nasus win ratio increased by 6% and his ban ration by 8% because of the buffs and you all here defend nasus...so again you can argue with me but you can never argue with numbers!

3 Comments

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Just because someone needs nerfs, doesn't exclude someone else from getting nerfs as well.

You're also leaving out a lot of context, and a lot of correlation, when it comes to linking stats with a champion. Cho'gath is an extremely easy champion to pick up and play. He does something, and he does it well. Banrate can be linked just as much with Frustration as it is with power, evident by how long Darius was banned, even after his nerfs. His abilities, save Ult, are also hit or miss type things, which are playable around by leading, dodging and predicting.

With that in Mind, Cho having a high banrate and pickrate, with a 52% winrate, is fairly understandable, especially with Stoneplate running around. He's been getting buffs, and for a relatively easy champion, his winrate should show higher than normal. A 52% on one person is not always indicative of 52% on another person, due to difference's in champion kits. Honestly, I'd say he's frustrating more than he is powerful.

Shyvana, according to the people who play her, I'd say is a bit more complex. A lot of her abilities are fairly reliable in their output, get close, press all buttons, R if needed. She runs at people super fast, and punches them. It's like Volibear, kinda, but with more percent health and tankiness. While Cho'Gath is good for taking one person out of the fight, Shyvana keeps going afterwards, and going and going, because she's more DPS.

Than you also got to think about weaknesses and strengths. Cho'Gaths weaknesses are slow and dodgable, save for the frustration of Stoneplate, with his strength being killing a single carry. Shyvana's weakness is to be kited, like Volibear, and to be handle with a team, with her strength being tanky DPS that's sticky. Because of how sticky she can be, a higher winrate with a easily exploitable weakness would indicate more power than she should have at times.

So yes, you can argue with numbers. It's actually really easy when you correlate champion specific details. Do I agree with the nerfs? Yes, no, it doesn't really matter, the point is extremely arguable, and reading through your post shows you didn't really put a lot of thought into it.

Giggling Granny1 votes

So you just say that an easy champion is ok to have such a big pick ratio and ban ratio and win ratio

But a harder champion need to be nerfed because she dosent have the same pick ratio and ban ratio but she have the same win ratio...

I like your logic..it make sense.....NO it dosent...wtf you say? because cho its easier its ok to be broken? wtf do you even say...

And what context i let out? Cho is broken and that why he is banned there is not other context here Cho is broken in every elo he is banned..but i guess you are better than challenger players who dont even want to have a cho in the ebnemy team and they always ban him..and they all have agree that cho is broken..yeah man thank you for your words thank you for saying all players in this game no matter the elo are just BAD players that can just dodge cho abilities and they just ban Cho no because he is broken but because he theyd ont like him to play against...

Like i say if you try to argue with numbers the only thing you would achieve is looking like an idiot who have no idea what he say

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

No, I'm saying you can't compare stats alone without looking at who and what the champions are. You're looking at numbers in a void, not in the practical environment they should be in, the game.

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