Twitch now have the same AD as Melee champs and same Armor!

Giggling Granny·Nov 6, 2017·32 votes·1,888 views

Yeah enjoy the game guys Twitch got no nerfs and now he have the same AD as melee champions..oh and the same armor

Oh and the best? he got no nerfs

Oh and even the more best?

Lethal Tempo CRUISING SPEED1.5 seconds after damaging a champion gain 30 - 80% Attack Speed (based on level) for 3 seconds. Attacking a champion extends the effect to 6 seconds. COOLDOWN10 seconds OVER 9000!!!Lethal Tempo allows you to temporarily exceed the attack speed limit

Prepare for Twitch top LULU-Kog bot Lucian mid Vayne Jungle! or vayne top with twitch jungle

Yeah talk again in a month! where Riot would gut the ADC (we can only hope right?) Because according to Riot a twitch that appear from 800 range AA 5 champions with 5.5AS its balanced same with kog and they werent sure if they should nerf them...

This game become a joke Now range champions have more AD than melee HAHAHAHAH

35 Comments

AirKingNeoNov 6, 201723 votes

No? Most melees were buffing in base AD and armor, meaning they're still above Twitch.

Giggling GrannyNov 7, 20171 votes

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No? Most melees were buffing in base AD and armor, meaning they're still above Twitch.

Yeah because Darius and Twitch should have the same AD right?

Oh where is the +15 AD on Darius? huh? and darius is just one of them...

Lee/Vi/Garen/morde/etc everyone one of them have the same AD as twitch...

Garen was starting the game with +15 AD and they give him +8...so now twitch and Garen or Vayne have the same AD as meelee champions

Now tell me how you supposed to win top lane? when the ADC can AA you for the same AD as you have from 550 range?

But someone in riot thought that this was balanced...

Imminent42Nov 6, 201711 votes

Hey people, let's not forget about the ranged hypercarry Kayle with 105 health scaling while melee bruisers like Garen and Skarner have 90 or less. Because we needed to normalize for runes most people didn't take on her anyways right?

Malicious MetalNov 6, 201719 votes

cries in 78 hp/level as morde

GigglesONov 7, 20171 votes

Lets not forget his low starting armor.

The Stabby TabbyNov 7, 20174 votes

Bruh most people just forget he exists in the first place

ArakadiaNov 7, 20171 votes

As if Morde needs buffs right now.

HungryAngry2SPPNov 7, 20171 votes

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cries in 78 hp/level as morde

HAHAHAHAHAHHA -RIOT :We will buff you -Fiora : Thanks

-Mordekaiser: {Austistic screeching]

Dani El PezgloboNov 6, 20172 votes

kayle is a mage, sos he gets hpscaling instead of pure armor, i would have prefer get more as or low e cd instead of just hp by the face

AirKingNeoNov 6, 20171 votes

To be fair, with CDR runes sucking, giving her E 1 second less cooldown would go a long way,

AirKingNeoNov 6, 20173 votes

What? Kayle takes HP per level yellows while Garen and Skarner takes flat armor yellows, so obviously they're going to be compensated differently.

Meanwhile Kayle is shit because she doesn't have a decent rune for CDR. Transcendence is cool, but the rest of the runes in the tree suck (Ultimate Hat isn't that great).

Critmaster GarenNov 6, 20173 votes

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What? Kayle takes HP per level yellows while Garen and Skarner takes flat armor yellows, so obviously they're going to be compensated differently.

Meanwhile Kayle is shit because she doesn't have a decent rune for CDR. Transcendence is cool, but the rest of the runes in the tree suck (Ultimate Hat isn't that great).

i take hp per level, because the w resistance passive makes garen scale better with health.

it also allows me to build more offensive on demand and still get a decent amount of base defense.

as far as juggernauts go, garen has really low health scaling (morde gets the lowst amount of health per level) and for some reason gets 6 ad less at lvl 18 than most of the other juggs.

AirKingNeoNov 6, 20173 votes

Hey, I'm just explaining the reasoning. Don't shoot the messenger.

Critmaster GarenNov 6, 20174 votes

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Hey, I'm just explaining the reasoning. Don't shoot the messenger.

not shooting anybody. im just explaining why health is the better choice in my opinion.

tbh, they could have buffed base armor, and health scaling and base ad scaling for garen without issue. juggs are supposed to be lategame scaling champs anyways, and it would be nice if hed get the same base stats as the rest of the bunch.

especially since i dont get any replacement for my 27 magic resist runes at lvl 18

PopcornBunniNov 7, 20178 votes

{quoted}Ultimate Hat isn't that great

on Kayle

{quoted} Ultimate Hat isn't that great

AirKingNeoNov 7, 20171 votes

I don't see the value in a lower ult cooldown. It's already low enough with a basic set up to win 1v1s.

CowseedNov 7, 20171 votes

I take 41% as on kayle.... I care more about that than any real defensive compensations because..... you know...

Dani El PezgloboNov 7, 20171 votes

i use to take 43 cdr, now idk how im suppost to build her, maybe with morello?

Sexy Jack RabbitNov 7, 20171 votes

Garen and Skarner are Juggs so they're more likely to stack health. Meaning they don't need it ALL packed into their base stats. That means more stats can go towards Armor, MR and AD.

Kayle has insanely high Health scaling so she's relevant late-game and doesn't just pop, but she's less likely to stack health and become tanky(as she's supposed to be a hypercarry afterall) .

Riot lowered her base hp and upped her scale all those years ago to try and keep her relevant but not oppressive. It didn't work, but at least she's weak pre-6 to champs like Kha'zix because of her stupid low base HP.

Sure you could say "Why not lower it now?" Well because if you did that you'd need to make her base hp higher so she remained viable, which would make her already oppressive af laning phase harder to deal with.

ModAcademy KaynNov 7, 20174 votes

Implying that Twitch didn't already have that armor due to runes.

Meep ManNov 7, 20173 votes

Uhm... no he doesn't? Look at every other champion as well dude. More than a few? Probably. All or even most? No.

Akali is SO HOTNov 6, 20172 votes

Dw just wait till preseason :^)

MuzétNov 6, 20172 votes

Prepare for Twitch top LULU-Kog bot Lucian mid Vayne Jungle! or vayne top with twitch jungle

Lulu Top (Good old days) Twitch Jungle Kog Mid Vayne ADC Karma Supp

How about that? (You can swap Lulu / Karma)

AwesomeGuyDjNov 7, 20171 votes

I would think lucian mid, despite him being on the weaker side. Since he has the mobility to deal with mages. Koggy i think would just get poked down real fast.

LankPantsNov 7, 20171 votes

Lethal Tempo CRUISING SPEED1.5 seconds after damaging a champion gain 30 - 80% Attack Speed (based on level) for 3 seconds. Attacking a champion extends the effect to 6 seconds. COOLDOWN10 seconds OVER 9000!!!Lethal Tempo allows you to temporarily exceed the attack speed limit

I'm pretty sure Twitch runs Press the Attack due to its synergy with his E and the fact that by the time you wait 1.5 seconds there's a decent chance the fight's already decided.

ArakadiaNov 7, 20171 votes

It's not like he starts with 5.5 AS. I get your point.

JustMonika13Nov 7, 20171 votes

Man, I sure am loving the feature they implimented that just straight up deletes Twitch from the game : ^ )

RavenMagusNov 7, 20171 votes

Everyone's going on and on about this OP Lethal Tempo thing, but really, it's not bad.

I don't mind Twitch proccing Lethal Tempo.

The thing that makes Twitch OP is that he pops out of stealth and kills you before Lethal Tempo would even proc.

NTrumpWeTrustNov 7, 20171 votes

"fuck you, buy his skins" Riot 2017

CowseedNov 7, 20171 votes

they also said the world was gonna end in 2000

The OasisNov 7, 20171 votes

Those Twitch base stats looks about on-par with every other marksman in this update. Literally all it does it make up for the loss of AD and armor from runes. Nothing to see there.

Now the addition Lethal Tempo without addressing Twitch's cancer kit is another matter...

TwitchInMyPantsNov 7, 20171 votes

Literally every ADC got AD + Armor as well as literally every Fighter

Specific champions got more buffs than the rest, Twitch isn't one of them

Solidair3Nov 8, 20171 votes

they'll nerf him if he's too strong.

relax. They would have nerfed him already if not for this preseason which will change literally everything as we know it.

PopcornBunniNov 7, 2017

Twitch with current AD reds, Armor yellows, scaling MR blues, and AS quints gets 8.5 AD, 9 Armor, 1.5 MR per level, and 13.5% bonus AS

Twitch with new runes system gets 8.54 AD, 8.96 Armor, and 18% Bonus AS (20% speccing Inspiration keystone)

So he went neutral on AD and Armor, got 4.5% extra AS, and lost 1.5-27 Magic Resist

It seems like an overall nerf to me.

Of course he needs a lot more nerfs than taking extra magic damage, but to act like he becomes more powerful in stats in the new system is just false. This is all ignoring the stats obtainable through the new runes' quests, but current runes have free AD per level, free % armor shred, 4% bonus Attack Speed, and other stats already.