ONE MORE PATCH THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH JANNA AND ARDENTS..

Giggling Granny·Sep 12, 2017·23 votes·1,287 views

WHERE THE nerfs riot??? do we really gonna see worlds with this 2 unerfed? nice joke..for real this is stupid

37 Comments

chipndip1Sep 12, 201711 votes

Janna isn't strong in pro play.

BarcidSep 13, 20171 votes

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Janna isn't strong in pro play.

I like the implied "but".

Also, it's adorable that the OP thinks it's just one more patch we have to deal with it... ha.

chipndip1Sep 13, 20171 votes

...Ardent is fine in pro play, too. What do you mean "implied 'but'"?

BlåbæretSep 12, 20176 votes

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WHERE THE nerfs riot??? do we really gonna see worlds with this 2 unerfed? nice joke..for real this is stupid

Yup guys, Janna and Ardent are the real issue here. ADCs ain't it, nope.

Giggling GrannySep 13, 20171 votes

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Yup guys, Janna and Ardent are the real issue here. ADCs ain't it, nope.

She is..the problem among with ardents...

Why? because the ADC would have to invest in Life steal in order to have LIFE steal meaning the adc would get delayed to his primary damage items (crit items) which is supposed to happen in games they are late game carries...

Right now ADCs can rush Crit items 2 zeals and I.E and still have Life steal because of Janna and Ardents...

And that just one of the problems!!

Daedric EtwahlSep 13, 20172 votes

The issues are both, they enable each other. As a Sona main who has built Censer for the longest time, Censer buff definitely is an enabler for autoattacking ADCs, who are already pretty strong by themselves.

Really though I just hope they nerf Censer so people will let me play my main in peace ;n;

DSØSep 12, 20175 votes

why is janna op?

Giggling GrannySep 12, 20176 votes

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why is janna op?

nah just 57% win ratio and so much skill too...

DSØSep 12, 20174 votes

Im asking it as a serious question lol. Yes win ratio is a thing but its also not a thing because its skewed by so many other people playing the game. I see jannas shield as not so amazing. The only thing strong about her really is her ult, since she does virtually no damage. And with her ult being strong there are ways to work around it, like just having someone splitpush. Shes really a man down compared to lots of other supports who can break seiges like thresh, blitzcrank, morgana etc.

GayFluffyUnicornSep 12, 20174 votes

How can someone even remotely justifiy a nearly 60% winrate

DSØSep 12, 20171 votes

because that means shes losing 40% of the time...

Daedric EtwahlSep 13, 20171 votes

A 60% winrate hasnt been acceptable. It shouldn't be acceptable for Janna.

DSØSep 13, 20171 votes

it really has nothing to do with her kit.

Daedric EtwahlSep 13, 20171 votes

Who said it does? Whether it's kit, abuse of items, or something else, a winrate that high shouldn't be acceptable. Other champions have been hotfixed for similar, and even less.

ArakadiaSep 13, 20171 votes

Okay rounding it up 3% is not fair at all. I'm not saying Janna is fair or fine, she isn't, but considering the size of the pertinent numbers, rounding up that much isn't realistic.

BańgSep 12, 20174 votes

and twitch still being broken as hell but not one nerf or hotfix.

bias is NONEXISTENT with riot ;)

GayFluffyUnicornSep 12, 20174 votes

Atleast they buffed fiora. Missed having to ban her

The TrentSep 13, 20174 votes

Ardent hasn't been a problem for me in a single game. If you think a single item is stopping you from winning a game, you're wrong. You're not a top tier challenger player. If you were challenger tier, maybe things like that would matter, but you're not. If you were good enough you could easily win any game at your casual level. Stop blaming all your problems on a single item. This isn't an LB on release level issue, it's an I don't like this item and I'm mad I lost issue. You should take a class on how the human brain works. Instead of just trying to get better at the game your brain is trying to blame it on an item. You're ignoring the fact that if you were better at the game you probably would've won. I watch ImaQTpie, he gets kill supports all the time VS ardent supports. I don't see him complaining, why are you? Because you need an excuse not to improve? How sad.

Giggling GrannySep 13, 20172 votes

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Ardent hasn't been a problem for me in a single game. If you think a single item is stopping you from winning a game, you're wrong. You're not a top tier challenger player. If you were challenger tier, maybe things like that would matter, but you're not. If you were good enough you could easily win any game at your casual level. Stop blaming all your problems on a single item. This isn't an LB on release level issue, it's an I don't like this item and I'm mad I lost issue. You should take a class on how the human brain works. Instead of just trying to get better at the game your brain is trying to blame it on an item. You're ignoring the fact that if you were better at the game you probably would've won. I watch ImaQTpie, he gets kill supports all the time VS ardent supports. I don't see him complaining, why are you? Because you need an excuse not to improve? How sad.

i am literally 3 tiers higher than you...that alone explain who need to be better in the game...

But even if you dont take my words all the high elo streamers and players and even riot admit that the item is broken...the f@ck are you?

ArakadiaSep 13, 20171 votes

"Muh Rank!"

Rank does not make you automatically right or wrong.

lil kodaSep 13, 20171 votes

but the first guy to comment brought up "ur not challenger so your facts dont matter"

The TrentSep 14, 20171 votes

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i am literally 3 tiers higher than you...that alone explain who need to be better in the game...

But even if you dont take my words all the high elo streamers and players and even riot admit that the item is broken...the f@ck are you?

Even riot admits it's broken? Lol? They probably just said it was stronger than intended. If you watch all these high elo streamers you would also know they often say no one knows wtf they're doing until they hit Diamond 1. They literally nonstop spam that when people ask if they're good. You gave me no examples or quotes, your argument lacks any type of... argument. I literally win against Ardent supports all the time as roam supports. Oh yeah this is also a pretty ground breaking fact but... The highest ranking support main in challenger, he was rank 1 for a while, he plays kill support and just non stop roams. He rarely builds ardent, but hes winning against ardent supports all the time!!! What a broken item, am I right???!!! Literally just gave you proof you could easily win against that item if you were better. It's always either a champion, an item, or someone on someone's team trolling. No one can ever accept that maybe they should've just lost. And just saying, you have access to ardent if it's such an op item. Mid laners that have shields have access to ardent if it's such an op item. Yet I don't see the mid laners with shields building it, and if you think ardent is so op, why don't you just build it? Lol? Maybe it's just time for people to find a new playstyle. Humble, the support main, isn't having any issues against it. Try watching his stream. Maybe you'll learn. I can't stop a board nerf this item trend, I can only help you hop off the train.

lil kodaSep 13, 20171 votes

literally every high tier player complains about this broken as fuck item, LS every patch complains about no patches on it, you're just a salty support main by your name

The TrentSep 14, 20171 votes

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literally every high tier player complains about this broken as fuck item, LS every patch complains about no patches on it, you're just a salty support main by your name You can easily find out if im a support main by copy and pasting my name into op.gg. I'm not a support main and when I do support I like to play Bard, Lux, Annie, and Zyra. I have mastery 7 on Janna but that was just because getting an S on her is really easy if you just sit in the back and shield. I don't play ardent supports if that's what you were trying to imply. Used to love Sona so I have a 7 on her but if you check my matches, I haven't even played Sona or Janna (except on the star Guardian map) for a long time. Pretty sure I haven't even played Janna since ardent was released on the Summoners Rift. I've played Sona but I only go full dmg on sona. You have the access to finding out what I play and how I play it and you couldn't even look it up. How pathetic.

pixelvoxelSep 13, 20173 votes

Oh sure nerf Rakan because his engage is "too reliable" (never mind the fact that it's instantly nullified by Flay) but then you leave Janna as perma-shield cuckerino cancer in solo queue and especially flex queue if you ever decide to stomach that. But it's okay because it's the competitive play patch right?

But it's okay a support's value should seriously be in how fast they can get an extra 25% attack speed and some lifesteal on one guy. Because only 4 people in a game actually matter.

The DeckownerSep 13, 20171 votes

TBH it is pretty impossible to flay a Rakan R flash W combo unless you have inhuman reaction.

sliceruserSep 12, 20172 votes

litterly everyone on your team gets a ban, dont like it just ban her

AirKingNeoSep 12, 20171 votes

Too busy banning Maokai, Rakan, Cho'Gath, and Tristana right now.

Because maybe "eahc player's gets a ban" isn't an argument nor excuse to Riot's shitty balance.

FairyfleurSep 12, 20172 votes

Or, you know, the insane gold generation from coin.

If you want them to nerf something give a legitimate reason for it besides, "HIGH WINRATE AAAAAAND PLAYRATE!!"

Giggling GrannySep 13, 20171 votes

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Or, you know, the insane gold generation from coin.

If you want them to nerf something give a legitimate reason for it besides, "HIGH WINRATE AAAAAAND PLAYRATE!!"

hmm?? you have posts about Lee sin and saying that he is broken because he have big play rate even tho he have 47% win ratio but because he have 29% pick rate mean that bad player keep his win ratio down...

Now that janna have 57% win ratio and 25% pick ratio mean what? that even bad players win 57% of the times because of how easy it is and how broken the support items are...

So next time try not be two-faced!!

FairyfleurSep 13, 20171 votes

Please quote me on where I said "Lee Sin is broken". The reason I said he was strong was that this so-called high skill champion had an alright winrate along with a high playrate. I at least linked these stats to a probable reason for nerfs, or a reason for why he shouldn't get buffed.

How far did you have to scroll down to find that?

OnanThaManSep 12, 20171 votes

That'll be the first time in recent memory for me that they will nerf someone the same patch they release a skin for, a 1350 skin at that.

NymzoSep 13, 20171 votes

2 patchs actually... there's no ardent nerfs on the PBE.

commit an heroSep 13, 20171 votes

Okay I understand the Janna hate. But do people not realize the reason she is so good is because ADCs are legit god at the moment? She would be legit shit if ADCs were in a weak spot. She became a lot better after the countless buffs to Coin + Ardent and the meta switch to ADCs being the center of the game. If you want Janna to not be good then nerf ADCs and their god like itemization. The one nerf I think would be good for her is an Increased CD to her shield. At the moment with 45% CDR you legit have a 0.5 second downtime. Increasing the downtime between shields is a good way to nerf without hitting her other spells. I don't want to see a nerf to her Q because it already has a long enough CD and there is plenty of skill expression in it (IE using it to cancel jumps/dashes). Her W does have a lot of hidden power in it but if she uses it she is making a sacrifice to give up all the MS to slow the target. I argue that her ult is used more for the knockback then the heal. There is a lot of CC and it can be hard to get a full cast off her ultimate a lot of the time. Plus they've already nerf the fuck out of it in the past.