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Giggling Granny··17 votes·1,849 views

A guy who have name that the holocaust wasent real IN THAT WORDS but i am not gonna post it normally because "hurr durr name shaming" he goes with that name for 19 LVLS and still unbanned and when he talk in games he talk about how the people in camps were RAPED and KILLED and make FUN OF IT i report this guy and nothing happen

AND THEN PEOPLE GET BANNED INSTALLY for saying to someone " hey man fuck you stop feed" BUT SOMEONE WHO SAY THIS THINGS STILL GOING UNBANNED? FOR 19 LVLS WHICH MEAN OVER 50 games or with XP boost over 10-15 games?

WHAT THE FUCK RIOT? for anyone who want to see this guy name go check this account match history he was a draven (btw he rage quit too) in my last game

31 Comments

Vapor Wave Vibes7 votes

Nah his name is okay.

BakedLotion7 votes

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Nah his name is okay.

Don't get why people are even downvoting. His name is objectively okay because it doesn't break any rules

Whether or not it's fucking rude is another story.

He broke rules by talking about the raping part though

AirKingNeo5 votes

Overreaction. Having the name "TheHolocaustNeverHappened" or the like is truth denying. Riot doesn't ban for denying the truth, and this isn't tied to racism or hate speech exactly. Neo Nazi don't deny the Holocaust because it's their pride. Idiots deny it.

BigBellBrute2 votes

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Overreaction. Having the name "TheHolocaustNeverHappened" or the like is truth denying. Riot doesn't ban for denying the truth, and this isn't tied to racism or hate speech exactly. Neo Nazi don't deny the Holocaust because it's their pride. Idiots deny it.

It's offensive. It isn't the same as mere denial of a benign event such as Moonlandingisahoax.

JaxMoonStealer4 votes

Denying the Holocaust isn't against the Summoner's Code, as far as I'm concerned.

He might have said something inappropiate over chat, but that's up to Riot to verify.

Myrmiron1 votes

Was about to post this. Denying the Holocaust happened is an at best uninformed opinion. And as long as he isn't throwing around slur words in chat the system won't catch on to him.

Giggling Granny4 votes

WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONFRONT DENIAL The Nazi persecution of the Jews began with hateful words, escalated to discrimination and dehumanization, and culminated in genocide. The consequences for Jews were horrific, but suffering and death was not limited to them. Millions of others were victimized, displaced, forced into slave labor, and murdered. The Holocaust shows that when one group is targeted, all people are vulnerable.

Today, in a world witnessing rising antisemitism, awareness of this fact is critical. A society that tolerates antisemitism is susceptible to other forms of racism, hatred, and oppression.

The denial or distortion of history is an assault on truth and understanding. Comprehension and memory of the past are crucial to how we understand ourselves, our society, and our goals for the future. Intentionally denying or distorting the historical record threatens communal understanding of how to safeguard democracy and individual rights.

So its against the summoner code!!

If someone goes with the name "Hitler" which was a pretty common name beack in 1900 before the NAZI hitler did what he was! This summoner he gets a name change in a heart beat!

Plus IN U.S.A maybe is nothing but in E.U there is RULES and LAWs in the 70% of the EUROPE that can get you in jail for saying the holocaust wasent real (I am not here to debate if that laws are crazy or not ) i am here to say that riot ban people for less minor than this and this guy goes like that PROVOKE people with that name in E.U a contiment that got hit from that and still going unbanned if that ok to you or anyone else then i dont know

SEKAI2 votes

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WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONFRONT DENIAL

That's technically not illegal though. Afaik.

If I have a name called "Discrimination is not real", it can not be illegal on the basis of factual inaccuracy. It can however, be illegal on the basis of being offensive. But a statement that is merely false is usually not considered an offence, unless it's things like slander or something; otherwise it needs a determinant in which we can say that it is offending the readers by actively attacking them personally in some way.

I think it ultimately comes down to a line between "There is no Holocaust" and "I laugh at Jewish people getting killed" that of which needs to be examined and defined properly.

Giggling Granny1 votes

your example is wrong!!

A corrent example would have been "Slavery wasent real" go say that in U.S.A i dare you....

The same apply in E.U if you say "Holocaust is not real"

Its offensive on the GROUP of people that LIVE that things

If you go say to a group of black people "Slavery is not real" then try to explain your "logic" saying "hey man its just a statement"

No! you are being offensive to what their older people in the family have live THAT THE DIFFERENT

SEKAI2 votes

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your example is wrong!!

A corrent example would have been "Slavery wasent real" go say that in U.S.A i dare you....

The same apply in E.U if you say "Holocaust is not real"

Its offensive on the GROUP of people that LIVE that things

If you go say to a group of black people "Slavery is not real" then try to explain your "logic" saying "hey man its just a statement"

No you are being offensive to what their live THAT THE DIFFERENT

I think it's outlawed on the basis of the political implication given the landscape, rather than being factually wrong, even if they are not really offensive statements by themselves (as in, if you consider them completely without any other association with today's social issues).

Think about it: If there is a name called "Cats are shit and stupid", or something similar to what we're talking about, "There is no animal abuse" something along those lines, as long as it doesn't really get under some people's skins with offensively lines such as "I skin cats 4lyfe" or whatever it shouldn't receive any extra attention on the name.

While I said it is "technically not illegal", notice "technically" part, because I am not really that against Riot simply blocking out the names that is very easily abused and make drama out of as long as they don't move on and target every little thing bur instead focus on the biggest stuff out there to counter topics such as passively spreading hate-speech etc (if you can't tame it, put it out of reach of others). However I have to stress that it only happens because of the offensive implications and not the notion that it is factually wrong.

Bettnachleger1 votes

That's technically not illegal though. Afaik.

In germany it is :D

Umbra Z3 votes

Typical riot inconsistency :/

Psyrix3 votes

... To clear a misunderstanding, no-one is banned instantly, it is a process of incremental increases in a punishment resulting in a ban if there isnt any change in behavior. Additionally a single report rarely results in a punishment (some circumstances barred of course in extreme events) a punishment will generally result after multiple games of u being reported stack up to a certain threshold. Also, usually a game will only register the first report and not have the others weighted in in the total stack (however multiple reports in one game can make an alert to get ur acct manually reviewed under certain circumstances). You can report the player under the offensive name category, as well as the griefing/flaming/toxic/rude. Unless you actually have access to the count, or are able to literally track every game and see the conversations, you won't know whether or not the person is continuously toxic, you also won't know whether or not he/she has been punished unless the acct has stopped activity.

Pantheon Forever4 votes

"it is a process of incremental increases in a punishment resulting in a ban if there isnt any change in behavior" irrelevant if complaint is about name of summoner. If the name isn't changed then it is easy to tell if not punished.

Psyrix1 votes

True, but as I said one report most likely won't register. Not everyone will find that name offensive, therefore not everyone will report a name like that, they will likely brush it off as a joke. That's why i'm basing it off of chat logs

Marshbouy1 votes

True, but as I said one report most likely won't register.

that's not what riot claims. I've seen what they claim is their code for investigating an account, it's something very close to if #of reports >0, then investigate

They have repeatedly stated that number of reports shouldn't matter.

EvanThomas1 votes

I believe this was in regards to the number of reports in a single game, not the number of reports on an account.

R182 votes

Freedom of speech fam.

Brain Errör 4042 votes

I mean, you got the name giggling granny... I can only imagine all of the horrors as to why she's giggling. Nuuuuu.

On a serious note, I don't think the name is breaking any summoner's code like others said. I don't think stating a viewpoint on an historical event is a bannable offense either. Even if they somehow find it funny or not... that's just people for you. At some point, it has to be mentioned and after awhile, it's going to be turned into a joke. Just like 9/11, just like the KKK lynching so forth and so on.

Humanity has to move on at some point.

Melledoneus2 votes

Hey, Giggling Granny, thanks for bringing this issue to light.

Sometimes people find ways to hide offensive phrases in their usernames from the system. If you feel a username was inappropriate, the correct course of action is to report the player after the game, or submit a support ticket to Riot.

Riot does not tolerate offensive names, and if you do your part as a player to point out offensive summoner names Riot will do theirs to ensure those people will not be permitted to display controversial or vulgar phrases that contradict what they agreed to in the Summoner's Code.

If somebody is also speaking vulgarly in chat, a well-placed report will draw attention to their account and a punishment will be handed out accordingly. It is our job as the players to keep our community clean.

Giggling Granny1 votes

the problem is that i did that and many other did and this guy now is still playing 20 lvl atm mean 60 GAMES in THE ROW still going unbanned and i am sure he would not be the first time he make fun of the people in the camps about how they were getting rape and stuff

STILL GOING unbanned so forgive but i dont believe that something would happen....which is bad because simple show that riot dosent care as long you dont say to someone "hey man dont be stupid and feed" it dosent matter because that what i see is not one game its 60 you do the math i get that people can hide their name under some letters from your system but what about the chat? Riot woockie coockie as i remember he have stated THAT RACISM is a reason that can make an account to go from a simple chat restriction to PERMA BAN and now i see a guy with over 60 games going unbanned i dont know you tell me where i am wrong

Inkling Commando1 votes

they probably just gave him a chat restriction and called life golden. (by all means tell me i am wrong)

Marshbouy1 votes

Wow that's pretty stupid.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Submit a support ticket, that will draw Rioter attention much more quickly than complaining on the boards.

http://support.riotgames.com/

ModPeriscope1 votes

I mean, if the name itself is what you're going to post about, I think that's ok. But if you posted that person's name coupled with your account of what he did, then it's naming and shaming. If you reported him in post-game, then you've done what you could.

"hurr durr name shaming"

You misspelled "Hodor"

Seabass1 votes

People have opinions, get over it. As bullshit as it is to claim those things you cant just around telling on people your whole life. Your going to have to grow a spine and learn to shrug things off.

Giggling Granny1 votes

hmmm i am pretty sure if that was the case in this game there would be no bans

your example is to grow a spine right?

So if someone goes to your game and tell you "wtf you noob why you feed" you have no right to report him? according to your words....or you have the right because it was YOUR feelings that got hurt?

Now imagine a whole nation..on a real SCALE on something THAT DID happen to people and compare to the example i give you that you report him and compare to my report and see who is the one who need to grow a spine

Seabass1 votes

i would talk shit back

Merchie J1 votes

denying the holocaust might be stupid but its not banworthy because its not objectively racist.

Im2Old4Dis1 votes

70% of EU doesn't mean anything. There are still countries where freedom of speech has not yet been removed lol. I wouldn't ban him for the name but the other stuff he said and did

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