The problem with botrk and lw is that they are not a niche item people buy those items even when they are against squishies so since botrk and lw are so popular they force champions to buy at least same offensive item other wise they would be too squishy because botrk counter full health stacks and lw counter armor making high defensive stats useless an optimal fix would be to make BOTRK AND LW a more niche item not a must on every champ
alagore3 votesMake bork do magic damage, increase price of LW/VS to ~3200 gold. BOOM. Tanks are tanks. (Yes, I do have a hateboner for adcs, how could you tell?)
Decaedeus2 votes3200 gold would be excessive. 2600 or so is way more than enough.
exiledFromBadmen1 votesNo. Even more. Tanks should be tanks, not squishies can live ~1 sec longer. Maybe they can remove LV
Leti the Yeti2 votesif you want it to be niche ur gonna have to gut them... srslyy like bork has tank shred, attack speed, life steal, damage, self peel...life sapping..player killing active well look all the versatile range of benefits... not very niche i think we are going to have to gut 2.. 3.. or 4 of the above
Keon Kamori2 votesMake BotRK a melee only item. Solves two problems at once. Makes melee ADCs stronger and makes ranged carries rely more on their support. They are supposed to be glass cannons they do not need sustain. They need damage and mobility. Melee champions need a way to counter that. Give them BotRK and give Ranged ADCs some other item that pushes them further into the role as support dependent turret shredder.
cFlame1 votesRiot could always just increase the gold cost, since no one would miss getting Last Wisper 350 gold earlier. Oh, except every AD assassin, never mind them though.
Kitten of Evil1 votesIt's the same problem as Swain, Vlad and others have with Morellonomicon (though, of course, less serious since it's not every hit and only applies to spells) -- the way items are balanced now, people grab BOTRK and Morello's as core, even ignoring their passives. So, you see them in every game and those champions countered by the passives (tanks and healer-sustainers) are weaker as a result.
zliplus1 votesEh, tanks are still ok as long as you stay ahead/even on the gold curve. The problem is when enemy ADC gets ahead. The way it's supposed to work is tanks get tanky first, then ADC buys LW to stay relevant, possibly sacrificing another damage item first (or they stick with their main damage items but then tanks work). If the ADC gets ahead though, they can have major damage and get LW early, meaning tanks have few options they can buy that don't feel pointless.
alagore1 votesEh, tanks are still ok as long as you stay ahead/even on the gold curve. The problem is when enemy ADC gets ahead. The way it's supposed to work is tanks get tanky first, then ADC buys LW to stay relevant, possibly sacrificing another damage item first (or they stick with their main damage items but then tanks work). If the ADC gets ahead though, they can have major damage and get LW early, meaning tanks have few options they can buy that don't feel pointless.
But the problem is, at 6 item, it doesn't matter if tanks have 100,000 gold on the adcs, because they have no way to get tankier, so tanks will eventually be much weaker than adcs.
