Can Sterak have stopwatch in the buildpath?

Ahristocats·Jan 31, 2018·28 votes·1,919 views

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Chromatic EagleJan 31, 201811 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHXEXBsvTKg

AhristocatsJan 31, 20189 votes

cuz i don't want to build GA on a juggernaut if i have the stopwatch rune, but sterak

Chromatic EagleJan 31, 201815 votes

So stopwatch should have something for all classes? Honest question.

Velzard of KozJan 31, 20184 votes

It wouldn't be bad idea since we already expanded it into three classes.

Zone of EndlessJan 31, 20185 votes

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So stopwatch should have something for all classes? Honest question.

I mean why not? ADC has GA that build from stopwatch.

AirKingNeoFeb 1, 20181 votes

even fucking Tanks get it in their best item.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 1, 20183 votes

Warmogs? No.... LOCKET! Wait... randuins? Hmmm....

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 1, 20181 votes

I mean we got douchebag ADC mains building Relic, douchebag junglers building Frostfang, and douchebag top laners building coins & spellthief. So technically, I don't see the problem.

SteelflameFeb 1, 20181 votes

Fang jungle isn't really a thing anymore, because fang now has the same minion CD mechanic added onto jungle mobs. The reason it worked before was the fact that the cooldown didn't get impacted by killing jungle mobs, so you effectively freely got support gold gen (+ about 70 gold a gank) AND the gold gen of being a jungler and getting jungle farm, as well as the quest change being to one that isn't quite as valuable. Not that SS is bad, but generally when I was using it it was more for the power of the mobility at the quest reward and how it effectively made it impossible for someone to flee you because you were sprinting them down with +50% MS for 3 solid seconds.

You can still do it, just it lost a LOT of power with the recent patch, so it no longer is an obvious must do thing for AP jungles, because the cooldown nerf (Just a hint... Raptors alone adds 72 seconds to the charge time of the fang procs) means that you are exclusively taking it for the raw gold effeciency of it, not because you ever expect to have the fang procs available to you.

TheorexFeb 1, 20181 votes

Wait can all classes have QSS now?

Chromatic EagleFeb 1, 20181 votes

I mean, we have veil and edge of night. Also Mikael.

TheorexFeb 2, 20181 votes

Veil, can be proc'd by any spell. Vs when you can activate it.

Edge of Night has to be channeled first, and it only last for 10 seconds. Also can be nullified by any spell.

Mikeals can only be used on other allies. Doesn't break suppression.

TotalJerkJan 31, 20182 votes

GA is decent on Juggernauts situationally. The shitty part is the build path having a BF sword.

BarkleyFeb 1, 20181 votes

Yeah GA is in a weird spot as is. Its as if the designers were like "ok this is an item that squishies build to stay alive, but it used to be a tank item. So now we're gonna make it a one-off AD item with the same passive, but more offensive stats."

And now it just feels bad to buy it. It doesn't give a lot of armor. It doesn't give as much damage or synergize as well as other ADC-worthy items. The passive it good basically once per game, maybe twice if you're lucky, and then its just a dead cost-inefficient stat-stick.

I feel like it felt better to buy it when it was a tank item. Now its just kinda meh.... "I have to buy this or we'll lose the next team fight, and if we lose the next team fight we might lose the game." or "if I buy this we'll win the next team fight and win the game"

But in the situations where you neither win or lose the game, you're left holding this broken piece of crap wondering how you let your life come to this moment.

YokoNomiJan 31, 20189 votes

Trying to imagine that on illaoi.

The sadist in me wants to say yes, but that's probably going a bit too far.

Lil Homie bustaJan 31, 20184 votes

https://youtu.be/KQBBPsyXm-k?t=13

TotalJerkJan 31, 20181 votes

Flash into the enemy team, ult and stopwatch.

ChaddyFantomeFeb 1, 20189 votes

Stopwatch shouldnt even be in item 3193 's and to a lesser extent 's buildpath to begin with. Stopwatch shouldnt even EXIST to begin with.

Sahn UzalFeb 1, 20182 votes

Why shouldn't it?

ChaddyFantomeFeb 1, 20182 votes

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Why shouldn't it?

Because it makes no sense. You can at least argue that GA reviving is KINDA like Stasis, but Stoneplate Active has nothing in common with Stasis at all. It'd be like if buying a tiamat upgraded into locket.

Sahn UzalFeb 1, 20181 votes

Stopwatch, GA, Stoneplate, Zhonya's Hourglass all provide one with a situational defensive tool, with an inbuild trade off (Being forced to stay in place, losing 60% of your damage, etc.)

Tiamat's active provides an AoE damage cleave thingy, while locket provides a shield. It's not at all the same.

ChaddyFantomeFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Stopwatch, GA, Stoneplate, Zhonya's Hourglass all provide one with a situational defensive tool, with an inbuild trade off (Being forced to stay in place, losing 60% of your damage, etc.)

Except you had to stretch that definition quite a bit to encompass all 3 things. GA provides you with a second wind on death. Stasis allows you to temporarily become invulnerable at the cost of rooting yourself. SP allows you to gain More effective HP depending on the ammount of people around you.

None of these are the same at all.

By your definition, we could add item 3040 to that list since it provide a "temporary defense" (a shield), at the cost of a large ammount of your mana pool.

Its stupid.

Where's my Stopwatch in Archangel's build path huh?

Sahn UzalFeb 2, 20182 votes

GA for AD champions Zhonya's Hourglass for AP champions Gargoyle's stoneplate for Tanks.

AP champions are covered; there's no reason to add a stopwatch to Seraph's build path.

ChaddyFantomeFeb 2, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s1ksTtky,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-02T00:03:05.463+0000)

GA for AD champions Zhonya's Hourglass for AP champions Gargoyle's stoneplate for Tanks.

AP champions are covered; there's no reason to add a stopwatch to Seraph's build path.

you completely changed the thesis of the argument here.

Critmaster GarenJan 31, 20188 votes

league of stopwatch. i get why youre asking for it, but should we really turn it into the new flash instead of hitting the breaks and reevaluating if we even want the item to be part of the game as it is?

id even go as far as say remove it from standart item build pathes and make it only available in the shop by equipping the rune, instead of having the rune give one for free.

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 1, 20182 votes

i totaly agree... As MonkeyKing Talon players, F this item !!

VenomarFeb 1, 20181 votes

Yes, mistakes were made.

Praetor NotoriasFeb 1, 20181 votes

It would make for a rather interesting summoner spell. They haven't added any summoners in a long time, though they did remove one.

Critmaster GarenFeb 1, 20181 votes

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It would make for a rather interesting summoner spell. They haven't added any summoners in a long time, though they did remove one.

zonyas active as a summoner spell instead of an item? thats an interesting thought.

could be hooked into the idea riot had of making unsealed spellbook grant access to summoner spells that are otherwise unavailable.

Zed geniusJan 31, 20186 votes

Well if sterak can have a stopwatch in it then so should Maw imo because sterak is melee only and it's basically the same item (saying this because their passives don't stack HUNI)and maybe not have it in GA

BobaFlautistJan 31, 20187 votes

Honestly it makes more sense in Sterak than Maw, and maw already has awesome components. Sterak's is just kinda random junk cluttering your inventory until you combine it.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 1, 20182 votes

Maw is not melee only.

Zed geniusFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Maw is not melee only.

who said it was?

Evil Bisex PlantFeb 1, 20181 votes

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Well if sterak can have a stopwatch in it then so should Maw imo because sterak is melee only and it's basically the same item (saying this because their passives don't stack HUNI)and maybe not have it in GA

Yes! And while we're at it, make Maw build out of QQS and have it's active! And add Warmogs passive, too, because being immune only to burst would be unfair to poke mages! And Adaptive Helm's passive add to Hexdrinker because fuck DPS mages, too! And fuck AP in general! Yeah! Wait, Maw doesn't have Dusblade's AA passive yet?!

Sp33d Zer0Feb 1, 20181 votes

They're saying make it part of the build path not change the effect of maw.

Evil Bisex PlantFeb 1, 20181 votes

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They're saying make it part of the build path not change the effect of maw.

But why stopping there?! The possibilities are limitless! As AD items power budget!

SHANK LUX MAINSJan 31, 20185 votes

Ye lets buff the cancer rune making the game giga unfun for anyone who doesn't like playing passive for 30 mins

TheThundersRoarFeb 1, 20181 votes

Holy fuck you people are exaggerating so bad. Are you saying a one-use untargetability spell makes you play passive for 30 minutes?

There's a million stronger anti-dive abilities in the game but I see people tower-diving Kayle and Lulu all fucking day.

SHANK LUX MAINSFeb 1, 20181 votes

Its a pointless free escape card that shouldn't be in the game. When 10 players take it almost every pro game, its clearly out of line.

iPooUnicornsFeb 1, 20184 votes

Help fighters?

No.

Riot

xelakerFeb 1, 20184 votes

Or we could have fewer stopwatches in the damn game...

AirKingNeoJan 31, 20182 votes

Just make Sterak's and Maw stack again. Otherwise, make Maw better for bruisers.

Not like ranged champions like Graves can buy Sterak's.

Jinx HunterJan 31, 20182 votes

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Just make Sterak's and Maw stack again. Otherwise, make Maw better for bruisers.

Not like ranged champions like Graves can buy Sterak's.

If you do that, then you have to also nerf it for Zed Talon Gangplank because it is too strong a buy on them in early game against AP's

AirKingNeoJan 31, 20181 votes

Well, besides no evidence to source on that, I said specifically to bruisers.

Such as reducing base shield and adding a bonus health ratio that would about equalize with Black Cleaver (and get slightly better with EoN, which is completely fine since EoN used to give MR to scale it).

Jinx HunterJan 31, 20182 votes

{quoted}

Well, besides no evidence to source on that, I said specifically to bruisers.

Such as reducing base shield and adding a bonus health ratio that would about equalize with Black Cleaver (and get slightly better with EoN, which is completely fine since EoN used to give MR to scale it).

Don't get me wrong, I am all for Bruiser item centric buffs. So long as the item buffs cannot be abused by marksmen or assassins (Zed, talon)

PurejoyceFeb 1, 20182 votes

You don't even play bruisers, stop pretending you know what you're talking about, it's getting sad. They don't need a maw buff, lmao.

AirKingNeoFeb 1, 20181 votes

Sorry, I guess I've never played Aatrox, Kayn, or Kled according to you. Totally don't have Mastery Level 6 on Kayn or Aatrox. Not at all. /s

When no bruiser builds Maw and high elo thinks Maw isn't good on bruisers, maybe it needs a buff. When an LCK ADC buys Locket over Maw for defense, Locket it probably overtunned, but Maw is also shit with the other reasons I stated combined.

So, rather than make a false attack on me, could you please give an actual argument as to why Maw shouldn't be buffed for bruisers?

PurejoyceFeb 1, 20183 votes

wow, mastery 6! What a bad joke :D

No, it doesn't need a buff and neither do most of the bruisers. When you watch pro player buy an item, but don't understand why he does it over buying another item and then try to compare it to a regular 'everyday solo queue' game, it's just another proof you don't know what you're talking about. You keep spewing your bullshit all over the boards, but you're wrong. Again and again, actually.

BarkleyFeb 1, 20182 votes

A better idea...

Lets make the only item available in the shop the stopwatch, with varying colors and styles.

Playing morgana? We have an amethyst encrusted stopwatch for you.

Taric? Gems? What goes better with gems than stopwatches? Our selection is truly outrageous.

Brand? We've got firey ruby stopwatches to suit your pyromancy needs.

Crows you say? Noxian General, you say? We have a stopwatch with an onyx faceplate to match your cold, black heart.

Yes, all of your needs can be met here at Shopkeeper's Shop - if you've got the gold, of course. And you like stopwatches.