Say you're in a 4v4 match on SR. Do you give up support or jungle? Why?
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This came up recently in the Factions Bilgewater event, which was run as a 4v4. We should have VODs up soon. But before that, I wanted to get some general community comments.
Let's say you're going into a 4v4 match. Assume you knew it was 4v4 in Champion Select, rather than it being a random d/c.
How do you allocate your Champions? Do you jungle and send an ADC solo bot? Do you skip the jungle and bring a support? Do you do something else, like have a "part-time jungler" with Smite and a gold income item?
And, importantly: why?
I feel like the traditional response would be to go with a jungler. But with the new gold income items for supports, which significantly resolve the "four goldstreams, five Champions"/"support starvation" problem, it's not clear to me that a support necessarily ends up that far behind the jungler in terms of lanephase gold. (I haven't run the numbers.) And then there are the more subjective strategic questions about whether it's better to have a jungler who can gank any lane anytime, thereby exerting a sort of Panopticon-like global pressure, or to have a support who can constantly apply pressure to bot lane.
Maybe there isn't one best answer? Maybe it depends on which Champions you're taking? Maybe both approaches have ways of dealing with teams that take the other option?
Anyway. I'd like to hear what people think. 4v4s don't happen that often, but I think this question gets at some fundamental issues about gold income, map pressure, and Champion scaling that have broader applicability.
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, who would you rather pair with a 
or 
?) Plus no one's mentioning how Marksman are usually pretty good at Sieging which is vital if the game drags on, especially against a Jungler that can probably get Baron and Dragon, in some cases stealing it from your team because you can't 
(though some, like 
are only good in the mid-game and not really worth the sacrifice)
or 
they they need a Support and losing a Jungler isn't as important. By contrast, if it's more of an AD Caster/Duelist like a 
(currently) The Laner will not become as great a late-game threat nor a good tower pusher/sieger and therefore scaling other lanes becomes more important, hence when the Jungler becomes the better option.
