PSA to Kalista players: My hatred for you is without limit.

CupcakeTrap··98 votes·11,556 views

http://www.leaguesplash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Veigar-Classic.jpg Figure 1. Not pictured: a fearsome projectile weapon. (Books for scale.)

If I'm playing Support Veigar, and you bind me, consider this post public notice that I will use your stupid ult only to launch myself away from the teamfight.

It is infuriating to be carefully managing distance with the enemy team, and finally getting into position for a good stun, when BAM! Some moron decides to press "R" and turn my screen gray, because they think it's a good time to throw Veigar into the enemy team. I'll admit: I panicked and just smashed buttons in response, which resulted in me getting massacred several times. I can't imagine I'm the only one.

I had the misfortune of playing my first match with an "allied" Kalista this past weekend. I was initially really confused when I saw that soul-binding tether between my Champion and Kalista. Did she do that with all Champions, I wondered? Surely it wasn't that I had her passive on me, I thought, because I distinctly remembered that the way it was supposed to work was she threw her spear down and you could then click on it to accept. (Isn't that the whole idea with her, storywise?) I said some very unkind things about Riot when I realized that she'd already bound poor little Veigar.

Kalista hi veigar Veigar Who the hell are you? Kalista im kallista Kalista kalista* Kalista from shado ilses Veigar Never heard of you. Kalista im new Kalista lookin 4 friends at institute Kalista everyone seems super nice Veigar …why are you looking at me like that? Kalista u want vengence? Veigar Ye— WAIT. I have heard about you. No! Go away! Kalista k we frends now Veigar No! I said no! I sa— AARARRGGGHGHHHHH! Kalista lol Kalista now i help u take vengnce with ult Veigar What does that mean? I move faster? Get a shield? Do more damage? Kalista no i throw u at the other team and u knock them up Veigar WHAT? Kalista remember 2 peel for me Veigar So at last it has come to this. Veigar Transformed into a lackluster Braum ult in the hands of an imbecile ADC. Veigar My life is torment. Kalista sigh no wards Kalista hey cutie Leona Oh, hello.

I mean, I'm glad that the Shadow Isles are finally getting a real ADC, but does it have to be her? For one thing, it's going to look super awkward when Thresh tries to kill himself by jumping on a spear. There should be a special interaction where he tries to jump on it, it slides harmlessly between his ribs, and then he awkwardly picks it up and smashes himself with the shaft.

118 Comments

Jakethenight29 votes

Veigar Transformed into a lackluster Braum ult in the hands of an imbecile ADC.

This is a beautiful description of Kalista's ult.

Direwolfiez19 votes

Kalista im kallista Kalista kalista*

Lost my shit right there.

Seriously, though, Kalista needs a good nerf, at least so she'll stop being spammed every game. Getting so sick of playing against her.

League of Potato2 votes

well...it's like this every time a new champ is released...100s of mirror match ups...

I really don't know if there will be that big of a nerf..all the kalistas i've played with/against, haven't even been that good, or done even decently well

Trylobyte19 votes

Kalista Accept the spear and become one with me. JarvanIV I'm, not sure if that's a wise idea. For me OR for you. Kalista It's just for this match. Come on, we have synergy. JarvanIV ... Have you seen the enemy team comp? Kalista What's the worst that could happen?

Time passes.

Kalista What? What's this? You can support AND you don't mind being thrown into the enemy team? And you can survive it? I think I'm in love! JarvanIV No, don't say-

Quinn What the hell Jarvan?! I thought we had something going! Shyvana And now you're here bonded with ANOTHER WOMAN?! Kalista Ah, heh, please, it's all just a-

*Quinn has slain Kalista * *Shyvana has slain JarvanIV *

Sydelle17 votes

This thread taught me that witty writers make good villains.

Ayame Isaki17 votes

My first bind w/ Kalista match (and I had seen her passive/ult in action in previous matches).

Soraka Bot support. Kalista Locks in. ADC. Soraka ...

Game starts, Soraka and Kalista walk down bot lane.

Soraka Hi. Kalista Hi. Soraka You're going to make me your bitch now, aren't you... Kalista Yup. Binds poor goat lady.

Surprisingly, the ADC only ever ult'd to save my ass so I could escape being singled out in skirmishes and teamfight. As a mobility tool, it is kind of useful. The cool thing was Reaper Soraka and Kalista kind of match so we had that going for us.

Fury and Emperor15 votes

Admit it, Veigar support is a minority. Then again, he has short range so it could actually be helpful for getting into stun range. And R with ranged champions bounces them away from the point of impact, so you get a small head start to safety.

But Riot will probably nerf Kalista in short order anyway.

CupcakeTrap24 votes

But Riot will probably nerf Kalista in short order anyway.

Yeah, I really hope they—

Veigar … Veigar One day I am going to burn this entire Institute to the ground. Veigar The mightiest nations of Valoran will be brought low! Veigar I mean brought down! Veigar I mean, I mean, YOU WILL ALL BE DESTROYED! Lulu giggle Veigar Especially you!

Rafael Merlo4 votes

I like it more when I'm the summoner controlling Galio \o/ Galio

Desmond Law10 votes

Amumu Why won't you bind with me? D:

Siachi9 votes

So if they actually fix it so her spear gives you a choice in binding like it's SUPPOSED to (And I'm almost certain that it was the intent to give a choice, and it's currently a bug or something), will your hate for Kalista players have a limit?

CupcakeTrap6 votes

So if they actually fix it so her spear gives you a choice in binding like it's SUPPOSED to, will your hate for Kalista players have a limit?

Maybe. Certainly still a fairly high limit. It's hard to put a number on it. Several thousand units of hate, at least.

Vellich0r3 votes

you are a villain, you need 9001 units of hate at least

SecretAgentHulk9 votes

Upvote for

Veigar So at last it has come to this. Veigar Transformed into a lackluster Braum ult in the hands of an imbecile ADC. Veigar My life is torment.

And because the same process runs through Sona's mind.

Dreddeth7 votes

It was plainly obvious upon her release that Kalista players should optimally bind with someone who is either A: a respectable tank, or B: a respectable CC-er, preferably both.

This actually works fine if you're all Shadow Isles, since everyone there is kinda tanky, but in a mixed team, some discretion is required. Furthermore, If they're going to bind a squishy, the ult is better used as a mobility tool rather than an engage.

For example, as Alistar Support, I'd love to be thrown right in for a team-wide knock-up followed by a second team-wide knock-up. As Soraka Support, I'd better appreciate being pulled out of melee range and thrown to safety, so that I can live long enough to ult.

CupcakeTrap7 votes

It was plainly obvious upon her release that Kalista players should optimally bind with someone who is either A: a respectable tank, or B: a respectable CC-er, preferably both.

I definitely see room for synergy with tanky hard-engage Champions, or even someone like a Fiddlesticks. (I do question whether "turn your ally into a Braum ult" is the best way to depict a vengeance pact, but that's another matter.)

However, I really wish it worked the way it was originally (?) going to: Kalista throws her spear down, and the ally can choose to take it or leave it. Giving the choice entirely to Kalista seems problematic.

Dreddeth3 votes

I don't think it's supposed to be irrefutable. That's probably some sort of derp on Riot's part, and I can imagine it'll be patched post-haste.

CupcakeTrap27 votes

I don't think it's supposed to be irrefutable. That's probably some sort of derp on Riot's part, and I can imagine it'll be patched post-haste.

I think it's working as intended, unfortunately:

THE BLACK SPEAR - ACTIVE: Kalista hurls The Black Spear at an allied champion, beginning a ritual that takes a short duration. During the ritual, both Kalista and her target are unable to act and the target will perform their death animation. Upon finishing the ritual, the target becomes Oathsworn for the remainder of the game. Kalista requires an Oathsworn ally to utilize Sentinel.png Sentinel's The Black Spear item.png Soul-Marked and Fate's Call.png Fate's Call.

Kalista i offer ppl a grim choice 2 claim vengence Lux W-what? What do you mean? Kalista if they impale themselves on my spear we are bffs 4evah Lux Why would someone do that?! Kalista because vengnce has consumed all that they once wer Kalista or actuly i just stab them Kalista like by surprise Kalista lol Lux That's not a bargain. That's just murdering someone with a spear! Kalista ask narrtive is in my story Kalista new lore much better imo Kalista it is a dark ritual Lux It's really not! You're just a psychopath with a spear! Kalista u sound angry Kalista maybe vengeful Kalista … Lux … Lux LUCIAN! VAYNE! HEL— AAARGGGGHHHHHHH!!! Kalista she has acepted my dark pact Kalista we have both grown as characters actuly Kalista new lore much better imo

Dreddeth7 votes

Personally, I'd rather not accept Kalista's "Black Spear," so I hope they change that. Seriously.

On the plus side, think of all the fanfics spawned by the innuendo.

LeeDark4 votes

ROFL

Crownsy3 votes

It was plainly obvious upon her release that Kalista players should optimally bind with someone who is either A: a respectable tank, or B: a respectable CC-er, preferably both.

I definitely see room for synergy with tanky hard-engage Champions, or even someone like a Fiddlesticks. (I do question whether "turn your ally into a Braum ult" is the best way to depict a vengeance pact, but that's another matter.)

However, I really wish it worked the way it was originally (?) going to: Kalista throws her spear down, and the ally can choose to take it or leave it. Giving the choice entirely to Kalista seems problematic.

Can confirm annie is an amazing bind to. as long as your kalista is smart enough to wait till you have stun up. Knock up + tibbers to the face = melted enemy team.

The problem is, if your in solo que, it's tough to have that level of communication. When I play her with my duo que partners, shes broken. solo q she makes my life miserable.

IronChefBoyardee6 votes

So communicate with kalista to bond to the jungler, not you.

CupcakeTrap35 votes

So communicate with kalista to bond to the jungler, not you.

Kalista's click-happy Summoner did not seem inclined to discuss the matter beforehand. With such a brilliant plan in mind, I'm not surprised that Kalista couldn't stop herself from binding Veigar immediately.

Seriously, though, I thought it was supposed to be a choice presented to the other Champion, not a unilateral "u r my ult now k" move.

Fury and Emperor12 votes

Seriously, though, I thought it was supposed to be a choice presented to the other Champion, not a unilateral "u r my ult now k" move.

Let's ask Trundle what Kalista is thinking:

"You're in MY kingdom now"

"This is TROLL TOWN"

CupcakeTrap22 votes

Seriously, though, I thought it was supposed to be a choice presented to the other Champion, not a unilateral "u r my ult now k" move.

Let's ask Trundle what Kalista is thinking:

"You're in MY kingdom now"

"This is TROLL TOWN"

Kalista oh hey trundle Trundle glare Trundle Yeah? Kalista i hear u want vengeance on the other trols Kalista they made fun of you and stuff Kalista we should teach them a lesson Trundle Yeah, I already took care of that. Kalista u stabbed urself? Trundle I bashed their fucking heads in with a giant club. Trundle And then I took all their stuff. Kalista but when did u stab urself Trundle Legendary general, huh. Kalista ya Kalista u know botrk? Kalista totally knew that dude Kalista the runed king Kalista ruined* (Every other Champion in the League of Legends) WE KNOW!

Alljoy6 votes

I died.

And no, no stabbing took place.

Rew7113 votes

I love how you point this out. I hate it so much. Here I go, running away on the enemy team and boom, I get knocked up by Kalista R, then another boom, i get knocked up by Braum R, and who knows how long this will go. Then lets see her move constantly.

One thing I do know is, when they nerf this girl, it will be hard and cold hearted.

Dryditch6 votes

VENGEANCE WILL BE SWIFT!

Kalista "I AM VENGEANCE!"

Morello: "And now you're useless vengeance. BALANCE! "

ReturnOfSamus6 votes

I saw a post 2 days ago about how you don't choose yes or no when Kalista tries to bind to you, and I thought he was just stupid.

Then last night I played with a Kalista. I saw her try to bind with me and I never clicked the spear. I even spam clicked away from it, but it still happened. There is seriously NO CLEAR WAY to decline bonding with Kalista. Really Riot?

Mistress Madoka5 votes

I Admit, this mechanic is Frustrating, and not JUST to Supports, but To Kalista Players as well. There've been multiple times I've seen Kalista accidentally Bind to the Top Laner.

Kalista: hey veigar Veigar: What? Kalista: catch lol Gnar: D: WTF KALISTA Kalista: ... Veigar: ... Gnar: ... ugh, "Demaglio." whatever. I'm still mad.

SIayton5 votes

Kalista support Sion? that's strange... Sion BLOOD, FURY, WAR, ETC Kalista What about VENGEANCE? Sion MY AXE IS THIRSTY Kalista Ok watever man just do the spear thing Sion sticks spear inside blood... hole... thing Kalista ur supposed to die, that's not how this works Sion REST IS FOR THE LIVING Kalista ugh fine Kalista stabs Sion with spear Sion comes back to life, starts punching Kalista Kalista really man? does someone else want to do this? Aatrox I will! Zac Me! Karthus oh oh!! Kalista item 2045 item 3070

1Rival4 votes

You are playing veigar knowingly there is a Kalista ADC.

2nd. Her passive % damage works wonders with veigar.

CupcakeTrap15 votes

She might be a great fit for Veigar in a lot of ways, if only her ult weren't so derpy.

Veigar is all about vengeance. His ult is tailor-made to punish arrogant, over-fed enemy mages who buy a second deathcap instead of MR. And if her ult did something to allow the bound Champion to select a target and do super-mega damage to them, that'd be one thing. As it is, it's almost a parody of Riot design cliches: it literally turns the Champion into a line-based skillshot AoE knockup.

GanksLikeGast0n3 votes

So use her ult to pop up the enemy mid, then use your ult on them while they're in the air. Boom. Dead mage.

CupcakeTrap9 votes

So use her ult to pop up the enemy mid, then use your ult on them while they're in the air. Boom. Dead mage.

There are probably great ways to use Veigar with Kalista's ult. But it shouldn't be only her choice whom she binds: they should use the "accept" mechanic. If Veigar wants to jump on her spear and become her projectile, that's fine. But Veigar should also be able to decline, and tell her to go bind the tanky jungler or something.

Malix Farwin3 votes

The problem is that you have to assume that the ADC is smart, which time has proven, is not usually the case

Alljoy4 votes

Transformed into a lackluster Braum ult in the hands of an imbecile ADC.

/pats

MrBuffington4 votes

As annoying as the whiplash I get from Kalista ulting me is, I think she's a pretty cool concept, just people in solo q have no idea how to play her. Playing a ranged champion actually launches you further away from the enemies you ult, which is handy if you're someone like Sona (seriously, the synergy is unreal), and lets you get good openings for Crescendo without having to burn flash. I'd imagine Veigar is similar (though I don't know why you'd play Veigar support; sure his stun is powerful but he doesn't get to stack AP since he's not getting CS. I mean, you can ult their APC for a lot of damage but I don't really see the theory behind it).

Just give it another 2-3 weeks before the Kalista hype dies down and people (hopefully) actually learn how to play her. After her free week hits and queues are a living hell for that week, people will actually figure out that either their mechanics need work and they stop playing her, or they actually get decent with her.

FiendOfOne4 votes

I wish I could upvote this more than once.

Chief Zenkko3 votes

I guess this is an example of how kalista could be a good champion in the right hands, or utter trash when someone else plays her. I don't really know, its my opinion, I've never actually played a game with her so I could be completely wrong.

Moonshade3 votes

They removed the whole consent factor from Kalista's ult which they should not have done, at least when they don't allow her to rebind to other targets anyway, because she can buy another spear it just doesn't seem to work. I believe they should give her a one time rebind at lv 9 or lv 11 so she can pick a more tactical team mate for team fights instead of being stuck slinging a squishy support like Veigar or Sona around

BastionKross3 votes

Wait, wait, wait. I distinctly remember hearing that we would have a chance to refuse being soulbound or whatever. In soloQ, the very LAST thing you want to do is let a complete stranger have control over your character to any degree. The first time I ever played with a Kali on my team was an ARAM game where the entire team was squishy and as Warwick I was technically the tankiest. She decided that I was the best candidate, I disagreed, and then she bound me. I thought she threw that spear down in such a way that I clicked on it by accident trying to move away like a Thresh lantern sometimes can.

The rest of the game is her yanking me around like a dog on a leash. Several times I was gunning for that ult on a priority target, then all of a sudden my screen goes a strange tint of color and I have a skillshot activated I don't recognize. A couple panic mashes of my buttons later and all of a sudden I'm the bad guy because I flung myself to one side. I had no idea what was going on! And even if I did, there was no warning when she'd yank on the chain.

Bottom line: Kalista is better for people who have some kind of teamwork or communication with each other.

Totalis2 votes

lost interest in your argument and opinion after I read "If I'm playing Support Veigar".

CupcakeTrap5 votes

lost interest in your argument and opinion after I read "If I'm playing Support Veigar".

(1) That's kind of a jerk thing to say.

(2) If you're going to be arrogant and judgmental, you should remember to limit your snark to people who are lower-ranked than you, or else you will come off not only as a jerk but as a rather foolish jerk.

S H A Y C 01 votes

I lost interest in his argument at about the same point...because frankly knowing what the ult does, and then picking veigar support you flat out deserve the horrible experience to follow...and if you are picking veigar support blind...again you deserve the horrible experience and hopefully learn when to pull out your off the wall support champ and when not to and skip the diatribe of all the bitching and moaning.summoner 13

CupcakeTrap5 votes

because frankly knowing what the ult does, and then picking veigar support you flat out deserve the horrible experience to follow

This would be more persuasive if I'd chosen to be bound to Kalista. The way it works now, she just binds you with no say in the matter.

MarhsallLee672 votes

I just got out of a game as jungle where our ADC Kalista binded me at the start of the game. I told her I accepted by accident, but did not change who she was binded to, either because she didn't know she could or was convinced that binding the jungler instead of her support was actually a good idea.

Both times I ganked, I humored her and dove in when she ulted me. Both times the enemy won, and I didn't go back bot. Later in a teamfight, she ulted me as I was about to go in, rendering me useless in the fight. By the time I figured out what had happened, most of the team was dead, so I ulted out of the fight. Kalista then said on all chat to report me for trolling, and even said so in the post-game lobby.

Not only that, the entire team surrendered after the fight, even though we had a decent chance at making a comeback with a little bit more synergy.

I never thought I could get so mad at a game, but fuck all Kalista players everywhere and I would not feel any pity for them if Kalista were removed from League.

tl;dr I feel your pain and I share your hatred.

icefrogy1 votes

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CupcakeTrap5 votes

That does seem to be Kalista's thing so far, with both lore and gameplay. It's just that in the lore she gives people a choice.

Sooko10 votes

I bet his life sucks now that he realised he isn't following the meta. What kind of future awaits a man who doesn't play like everyone else, right? Might as well just kill him to spare him the trouble of trying to play the game for fun and not for the victory...

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