To anyone that's ever complained about Veigar's free AP

SwapShadows·May 31, 2015·4 votes·315 views

Veigar getting free ap isn't that great, to tanks its almost non-noticable and against squishies it only matters to champions that aren't building AP.

people are actually reluctant to let him get buffs because he gets free AP that barely does anything because A) tanks with MR don't give flying fucks and B) Against an AP champ you will do your burst and kill them either way.

tl;dr veigar's extra AP isn't doing as much as people have complained about

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Very Hard EngageMay 31, 20152 votes

pre 16 minutes, veigar is significantly weaker than nearly all other ap mid laners. mid game he breaks even in damage with other mid laners however hes dependent on his team mates to get anything done whatsoever, veigar cant afford to get caught at all or else hes just dead meat. beyond 35+minutes veigar is stronger than nearly all other ap mid laners and can just stay outside the fight and Q harass and his team will win the fight the longer it goes on, or veigar will R+Q a carry and it will result in a kill. beyond 45+ minutes veigar is a god in terms of damage dealing no matter what.

at no point in the game can veigar play make, he can only punish out of position players or people who make mistakes, veigar cant 1v1 or handle poke/dives.
he is dependant on his team to accomplish anything.

this assumes 100~~120 farm at 16mins with at least 70+ bonus AP farmed (i generally have 90~~110) at 35mins its about 220~250bonus AP with around 250 farm.

beyond 40+minutes its whatever i can get away with in lane without my team getting destroyed or getting cheesed flash ulted, you name it. i can get up to 400~500AP pending how long the hour long game drags on for.

veigar is the definition of late game scaling, he has infinite potential, he just needs a team to back him up or captialize on veigars strengths, if you have a team with a good front line, sejuani/nautilus/renekton/ whatever adc, and veigar, thats fantastic, they can keep veigar alive and give him ample opportunity to land meteor and R who he pleases. but if you have a team like rengar who is going to dive the back line, xinzhao who is going to attack the first thing he sees, morgana support, and whatever adc, you wont have any immediate peel for the veigar (morg binding could miss, or it could just be too late), with such a team veigar will often get poked/focused and he will just die before he gets anything done.

SwapShadowsMay 31, 20151 votes

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pre 16 minutes, veigar is significantly weaker than nearly all other ap mid laners. mid game he breaks even in damage with other mid laners however hes dependent on his team mates to get anything done whatsoever, veigar cant afford to get caught at all or else hes just dead meat. beyond 35+minutes veigar is stronger than nearly all other ap mid laners and can just stay outside the fight and Q harass and his team will win the fight the longer it goes on, or veigar will R+Q a carry and it will result in a kill. beyond 45+ minutes veigar is a god in terms of damage dealing no matter what.

at no point in the game can veigar play make, he can only punish out of position players or people who make mistakes, veigar cant 1v1 or handle poke/dives.
he is dependant on his team to accomplish anything.

this assumes 100~~120 farm at 16mins with at least 70+ bonus AP farmed (i generally have 90~~110) at 35mins its about 220~250bonus AP with around 250 farm.

beyond 40+minutes its whatever i can get away with in lane without my team getting destroyed or getting cheesed flash ulted, you name it. i can get up to 400~500AP pending how long the hour long game drags on for.

veigar is the definition of late game scaling, he has infinite potential, he just needs a team to back him up or captialize on veigars strengths, if you have a team with a good front line, sejuani/nautilus/renekton/ whatever adc, and veigar, thats fantastic, they can keep veigar alive and give him ample opportunity to land meteor and R who he pleases. but if you have a team like rengar who is going to dive the back line, xinzhao who is going to attack the first thing he sees, morgana support, and whatever adc, you wont have any immediate peel for the veigar (morg binding could miss, or it could just be too late), with such a team veigar will often get poked/focused and he will just die before he gets anything done.

His late game pre-nerfs was pretty good but still lacked the ability to nuke full tanks and banshees really screwed him over

Atm his late game is pretty bad because his stun will rarely hit and same with his W.... also his delayed stun is a really bad peel.

TrídentMay 31, 20152 votes

The main thing is, he's balanced for it, and has to work for it. He needs to farm up in order to reach his full potential, and his early game and laning is extremely weak, unlike some bursty champs.

zane yalgirMay 31, 20151 votes

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The main thing is, he's balanced for it, and has to work for it. He needs to farm up in order to reach his full potential, and his early game and laning is extremely weak, unlike some bursty champs.

thats why the rework ruined him. he had a weq that was awesome peel. now its e hits if your lucky becuase of how the w works now

lB2kGRlc8yMay 31, 20151 votes

Yea, except W is a nonfactor in his damage the way things stand. Reduce the delay to be on par with Swain or Brand's aoes so its dodgeable, but not something a withered target could escape with ease.

zane yalgirMay 31, 20151 votes

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Veigar getting free ap isn't that great, to tanks its almost non-noticable and against squishies it only matters to champions that aren't building AP.

people are actually reluctant to let him get buffs because he gets free AP that barely does anything because A) tanks with MR don't give flying fucks and B) Against an AP champ you will do your burst and kill them either way.

tl;dr veigar's extra AP isn't doing as much as people have complained about

item 3135 your a tank? hahahahahahahahah my q hits two people now with better range