So are we just ignoring how broken Luden's Echo is?
I don't think it's going to go away if we ignore it.
I don't think it's going to go away if we ignore it.
so uh why is it broken?
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so uh why is it broken?
This. Tell us why it's broken. It being built regularly is not a reason.
It gives the illusion of being broken.
Basically, it gives the max AP that an item can give (120) plus the passive deals 100 (+15% AP). That passive damage is more that you would get from rushing rabadon's, so luden's echo is the highest damage first AP item you can buy. If an enemy gets fed enough to get one early then you are 100% screwed, there's nothing you can do. They will deal 2x as much damage as anyone else on your team and continue to get fed.
On the other hand...you can't rush luden's echo if you are behind. It gives no stats other than AP so is a very dangerous buy. If you are already losing lane and you come back with a luden's echo while the enemy laner has, let's say, a grail and a needlessly large rod, then you are the one getting screwed. You get no defensive stats and no CDR from luden's, and even though it deals high damage it won't be a match for an enemy who is an item ahead.
The people you see buying luden's as a first item are the people who get fed, because people who are behind don't buy it. Therefore, the only people you see with luden's are fed people and you conclude that it's OP.
Luden's has the potential to be OP in the same way that mejai's has the potential to be OP.
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I can see it's OP in URF, but really not so much in regular play
Luden's echo doesn't seem that bad imo, maybe with a champ that is gonna be building 100% ap, but even then, they're glass cannons, the ratios on luden's don't seem that well, plus it's only 100 damage at base, I say it's pretty ok for what it is, a little underpowered maybe, compared to the other 120 ap items, one giving an invulnerability and the other giving a 30% boost in ap, but not a terror, I like the movement speed however.
When you put it on champs like ryze, lulu, xerath, lux and just in general any champ that can abuse low cooldowns and scales well with ap it becomes very difficult to deal with. OH AND NIDALEE