Give Darius the Xin treatment

Ahristocats·Sep 15, 2017·6 votes·521 views

darius Q cast time should be reduced with attack speed

15 Comments

Critmaster GarenSep 15, 20172 votes

i dont feel like this would help him outside of supporting a weird cheese build.

ask yourself. if you were to give darius a buff, is this really the buff youd want him to get or rather something like a reduced w cooldown to build stacks faster?

or an increased heal on his q to survive longer through fights?

maybe a slight increase to his pull range.

AhristocatsSep 15, 20171 votes

talk for yourself

when darius wasn't garbage trinity force was really good on him and cleaver got nerfed

Critmaster GarenSep 15, 20171 votes

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talk for yourself

when darius wasn't garbage trinity force was really good on him and cleaver got nerfed

but this buff would make him dependent on a specific item or build.

why not increase his e range again by 50 units to revert the stealth nerf he got to it a long time ago? this would improve him no matter if you build cleaver or triforce on him.

AhristocatsSep 15, 20171 votes

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but this buff would make him dependent on a specific item or build.

not really every darius mains in high elo goes for attack speed runes

and it's a totally waste the moment you use Q

Critmaster GarenSep 15, 20171 votes

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not really every darius mains in high elo goes for attack speed runes

and it's a totally waste the moment you use Q

attack speed runes are going to exist for a total of another 2 month or so.

reducing his w cooldown would effectively increase his attack speed (if you count his w as an attack). increasing his pull range would help him in a meta where passive supports reign, and sticking or getting to targets is unusally hard.

im not against buffing darius, but it feels a bit harder to predict whats going to happen when attack speed becomes a really good stat on him and when attack speed runes vanish.

at least a w buff or a pull range buff would be guaranteed to stick.

Tychusfindlay918Sep 15, 20171 votes

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not really every darius mains in high elo goes for attack speed runes

and it's a totally waste the moment you use Q

AS runes don't particularly give all that much AS, especially since darius is one of, if not the worst scaler in the game when it comes to attack speed %.

Also, I know some high diamond peeps that don't go AS, and IIRC dyrus didn't go AS when he used to play darius in challenger/master (of course dyrus doesn't play darius at all now because darius is dumpster trash).

The Darius KingSep 15, 20171 votes

I've always thought lowering w's cooldown based on how many bleed stacks they have was a relatively good idea and I like the idea for the pull range increase

SalsonSep 15, 20172 votes

Nah, it's the levels. 0.75/0.65/0.55 on levels 1/7/13.

I'd still give him 2s slow imunity on ult executes though.

AhristocatsSep 15, 20172 votes

good ideas

but i don't like the R idea, it puts even more power into killing someone which is unreliable in high elo the place where darius struggles

just do the Q change first

SalsonSep 15, 20171 votes

Oh right, my understanding of what works in superhigh elo is wonky. I just want some kind of CC reduction, and I'm getting desperate.

In my oppinion, mid/late game buffs are the way to go. In low elo only his laning phase in oppresive, they can't utilize him fully later on.

Zero Skill TankSep 15, 20171 votes

darius Q cast time should be reduced with attack speed

Any arguments to support that bold claim?

SasogwaSep 15, 20171 votes

Honestly I'm not really against it. AS is pretty bad on Darius anyway, it only really favourises the trinity force build, which is an interesting variant of the BC and quite good cause of Darius high base AD?

KloqdqSep 15, 20171 votes

Kind of with Garen on this. I don't think this is the kind of buff that would work for him. Overall it just sort of supports on one build and not multiple options like I think a buff should. Whatever that be. Attack speed is nice on Darius, I take it all the time on my runes, but it only really supports Triforce builds and I don't know how I feel about that.

DSØSep 15, 20171 votes

Darius is such a garbage champion any nerfs would gut him to dust. Hes a bit strong against some of the low dps champions like orn, poppy, etc but if you take irelia, fiora, even nasus u can kill darius

Asayake 5150glowSep 15, 20171 votes

What about:

E range buff

E slows attackspeed if it hits

So Darius will still take the normal amount of time to 100-0, but you won't die as quickly to the ADC.

Attackspeed Darius is broken against melees since they get so little time until he gets 5 stacks. This change is more directed to his ADC killing, but will help him against bruisers too.