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Riot is deleting Twisted Treeline.

Jesus is Savior··38 votes·4,530 views

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/community/q/ask-riot-how-weve-made-events-out-ranked-3s

"If we made Twisted Treeline today, it would be for our Rotating Game Mode Queue (RGMQ) – that's where we mix things up and give you fresh modes for a shorter amount of time. If the population for Ranked 3's stays healthy, we’ll maintain the same windows as Ranked 5s. If the queue times become too long and the matchups are difficult to balance for the number of players in the queue, we’ll have to make a decision on whether it’s best if we move into in the the RGMQ where it will get shorter, healthier periods of play."

It's going to become a "rotating mode" just like "definitely not dominion."

I called it: they added ranked 3s to the "limited to certain times of day" schedule just like ranked 5s in an attempt to kill the hardcore "3v3 only" players. Soon those players will quit, and the "population will become too low" and "matchups will be too difficult to balance" and the mode will be moved to the rotating game mode lineup.

I called it 3 weeks ago: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/9PkrtMqa-riot-is-killing-twisted-treeline-by-forcing-less-ppl-to-play-it-so-they-can-delete-it-like-dominion

They can't actually admit that they're intentionally killing it, but that is indeed what they are doing.

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PS: I'm aware Riot said "matchmaking and queue times are healthier right now" but that doesn't necessarily mean the map isn't dying: if half the people quit, and the remaining half of the population was squeezed into a 6 hour window, Matchmaking and queue times would improve 2x.... But the map is still being killed.

75 Comments

Sire Hippington22 votes

Another quote from that post: "Ranked 3's came from a time when we saw the future of League as being a variety of different maps that were always available. It turns out this vision just isn’t the most compelling."

No shit this isn't compelling if only one map really gets supported and the rest is left in the dust. If there was actually more support for those maps(includeing esports presence), they would have been far more compelling.

But no, rather just remove those other maps....League is indead dying, and like a leper it's loosing it's limbs it seems.

Partholonian13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Cingulum,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rdeU8VrF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-07-23T17:23:52.667+0000)

Another quote from that post: "Ranked 3's came from a time when we saw the future of League as being a variety of different maps that were always available. It turns out this vision just isn’t the most compelling."

No shit this isn't compelling if only one map really gets supported and the rest is left in the dust. If there was actually more support for those maps(includeing esports presence), they would have been far more compelling.

Uh... have you seen Heroes of the Storm? More maps are not a solution. More maps are a problem, because different kits have different power levels on different maps. Hero balance is a nightmare in that game precisely because what is balanced on one map is broken on another. And that's in a game that doesn't have to take items into account.

Leetri3 votes

Doesn't help that it's completely random what map you get. You'll pick a hero and then it turns out you have to play on a map where your hero has about as much impact as an AFK.

Sire Hippington7 votes

"if there was actually more support for those maps"

The point is to adjust balanceing for different maps, wich means you can't just trow maps around you as you need a dedicatet team for each map for both live balance and system design, but supporting 2-3 maps should be very well possible for a company with such a high annual revenue.

The MechE2 votes

{quoted}

Uh... have you seen Heroes of the Storm? More maps are not a solution. More maps are a problem, because different kits have different power levels on different maps. Hero balance is a nightmare in that game precisely because what is balanced on one map is broken on another. And that's in a game that doesn't have to take items into account.

While some characters are stronger on specific maps, that's not a bad thing according to Blizzard. They like the variety.

Surr20plz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Cingulum,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rdeU8VrF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-07-23T17:23:52.667+0000)

Another quote from that post: "Ranked 3's came from a time when we saw the future of League as being a variety of different maps that were always available. It turns out this vision just isn’t the most compelling."

No shit this isn't compelling if only one map really gets supported and the rest is left in the dust. If there was actually more support for those maps(includeing esports presence), they would have been far more compelling.

But no, rather just remove those other maps....League is indead dying, and like a leper it's loosing it's limbs it seems.

SAVAGE

Jeddite15 votes

Your options will be Summoner's Rift, Howling Abyss, or whatever RGM map is available on the weekend. And you'll like it -- because Chinaland says so.

If you want ranked rewards, your only choice will be Summoner's Rift --- because Chinaland says so.

ZT Xperimentor4 votes

http://www.pvpdatabase.com/?p=468 Sadly spot on.

Sire Hippington2 votes

That's a damn good article and should see more promotion around the forums*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

I stumbled across it on accident; I'm surprised it's not noticed more!

The Yetii Rider9 votes

If they remove TT then the bots are going to flood ARAM.

Not sure what Riot's end goal is. Accounts that are being sold have to level up somewhere. If they end up on the Rift...that's not good

bill846 votes

That may actually be the only way to make the new player experience worse than it already is.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

Might make it better actually. Bots don't flame as much.

Saianna9 votes

What you know..

A growing company with few times more money than few years ago can't handle (and doesn't want to) few more game modes, that they used to without problems.

Reason: It takes too much resources.

What resources? Pixie dusts? Coke? Bitcoins? Slaves? Because if they lack programmers, then just hire some of them for fucks sake. That's one of the reasons why you are called a company, not a garage project.

Well guys. If someone ever asks you what it means to be greedy f***k, tell them how Riot works.

PaladinNO11 votes

Well guys. If someone ever asks you what it means to be greedy f*k, tell them how Riot works.

This started when Rito got bought by Tencent, and they turned from "a game for gamers, by gamers" into a cashcow. EA style.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

I thought this self-destruction tactic looked familiar.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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What resources? Pixie dusts? Coke? Bitcoins? Slaves?

Lol'd at this.

I can just imagine Phreak (In clothing similar to Debonair Ezreal) at Riot HQ sitting behind a table with sexy pixie girls at either side rubbing his chest, the table sustaining a suspicious powder, computer screens blinking in the background with increasing numbers that represent 'currency' of some type and some silent waif-looking boy pouring champagne into Phreak's wine glass.

"Ha ha ha, everything is going just as I planned" Sorry your comment just made me laugh, that image just seemed amusing. (Obviously that scenario is wrong, Phreak would have WAY more than two girls and there would be sexy dance parties all night long because that's how Phreak rolls)

Partholonian6 votes

How can the map be "being killed" if it's already dying on its own? Getting the few people still willing to play it to all log on at the same time is Riot's last resort to try to save it; maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but there's no sense pretending the mode isn't in serious trouble already.

ForeverLaxx4 votes

Riot's MO: craft a situation in which you can build manipulated data to support a change you were already in the process of making. See; Karma.

Twisted Treeline is just next on the list, and it won't be the last.

The Deckowner4 votes

One thing that Rito is very good at is to manipulate data. They do a bunch of stuff to make no one wanna play TT and then they say oh no one is playing it lets remove it. same was done about DQ, they made it the only choice of ranked gameplay and they are like "more people play DQ and they love it!"

Linna Excel1 votes

There are lies, darned lies, and riot's data.

OurLestrade3 votes

First my favourite game mode, now this :l

SlashStriker3 votes

so what will happen when riot remove all the maps except SR?

Raeyxx1 votes

They touch my ARAM and I might very well raise hell.

SoundChaosDebug2 votes

If they decide to make the map rotational only then they need to get rid of the trash remake and give us back the original map that had like 3 times more jungle.

Jesus is Savior7 votes

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If they decide to make the map rotational only then they need to get rid of the trash remake and give us back the original map that had like 3 times more jungle.

LOL Yeah. Killing all 3 camps and then having nothing to do for 2 minutes is dumb as fuck. You're basically a support.

And if you get invaded it's gg.

CrazFight 2 votes

wo wo... i understand def not dominion but twisted treeline? I don't play it much maybe 1-3 times a month and I feel like thats enough, pls riot XD pls.

Partholonian2 votes

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wo wo... i understand def not dominion but twisted treeline? I don't play it much maybe 1-3 times a month and I feel like thats enough, pls riot XD pls.

Then you can still do that, just on a specific weekend chosen by Riot instead of whenever. Which may be annoying, but it comes along with other people also wanting to play it at the same time.

CrazFight 3 votes

{quoted}

Then you can still do that, just on a specific weekend chosen by Riot instead of whenever. Which may be annoying, but it comes along with other people also wanting to play it at the same time.

I have no trouble with other players playing it at the same time right now.

Dehitay2 votes

Yeah, as soon as I saw that post, I realized that Twisted Treeline is headed the way of Dominion. But at least they're making it more obvious to those of us who have watched them destroy anything that's extra work over the last few years. Dominion was a complete blindside. We can all see this one coming.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't give a damn if they never updated everything in the rotating game queue if they would just get rid of the rotation and add every game mode available into custom games. They could do a rotating updating custom game mode queue instead where only one game mode gets updated every patch, but they're still all available.

Paroe2 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, as soon as I saw that post, I realized that Twisted Treeline is headed the way of Dominion. But at least they're making it more obvious to those of us who have watched them destroy anything that's extra work over the last few years. Dominion was a complete blindside. We can all see this one coming.

Honestly, though, I wouldn't give a damn if they never updated everything in the rotating game queue if they would just get rid of the rotation and add every game mode available into custom games. They could do a rotating updating custom game mode queue instead where only one game mode gets updated every patch, but they're still all available.

to be prefectly honest they should just have all the other game modes in customs as well as the defunct (reworked maps, a la dominion) maps. its just good princinple and practice; give the plays access and tools to everything when its not counted.

the entire concept of rotating game mode is fun for public and IP/XP. customs shouldnt get you either of those, because theyre customs. so making everything available just makes sense or else why even have custom games in the first place? But... the reason they wont do it is because its extra work. they dont want to put the effort into having and updating customs every time a new game mode is released and theyre pumping out new game modes like a republican highschooler pumps out babies she cant take care of.

Linna Excel2 votes

Not surprised. Riot has a tendency to break the legs of something it wants to rework or get rid of. I think their lines of thinking are that the fewer people playing, the fewer will care when it is gone.

A Basic Island2 votes

Can't say I'm surprised. Called this year's ago when rito scrapped old 3s for a different version of dominion.

Rip old 3s rip 3s Rip maokais home

dunkeroni2 votes

They aren't deleting it. They're considering having a meeting to discuss whether or not it would be better to keep it around as a rotation.

That's like 4 degrees of separation from removing the mode. They're probably decide it's fine where it is right now.

Jesus is Savior3 votes

{quoted}

They aren't deleting it. They're considering having a meeting to discuss whether or not it would be better to keep it around as a rotation.

That's like 4 degrees of separation from removing the mode. They're probably decide it's fine where it is right now.

No, that's what they WANT you to think, so that you won't freak out.

If it's anything like their other decisions (solo queue, dominion) their choice of words is 100% PR and they've already decided to scrap the mode.

dunkeroni1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rdeU8VrF,comment-id=00190000,timestamp=2016-07-24T13:35:25.897+0000)

No, that's what they WANT you to think, so that you won't freak out.

You're right, my mistake. I forgot that Riot is the Illuminati.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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You're right, my mistake. I forgot that Riot is the Illuminati.

No, they're just a company that cares more about PR than the actual players.

dunkeroni1 votes

So they're a successful company? Lol. That's how the world works.

If they cared about players desires only, they would be bankrupt by now. If you're so convinced that what they're doing is somehow evil or manipulative, you would stop playing. It's a good thing their PR has kept you here.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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You're right, my mistake. I forgot that Riot is the Illuminati.

Yes because established precedent should be ignored.

We should just believe everything at face value /s

Dominick Destine2 votes

Wait what? they're deleting Twisted Treeline too?

How many more times will they have to bring a hatchet to the game to justify Dynamic Queue?

Frius2 votes

delete 3v3 so that games has 1 fucken map ,2cool 4 boring

Solari Fortune1 votes

They said if Treeline becomes as barren as Dominion did they might think of it In what universe is that saying that they are going to do it

Paroe4 votes

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They said if Treeline becomes as barren as Dominion did they might think of it In what universe is that saying that they are going to do it

When your parents hint at something, its them saying "were going to do this thing regardless because we know whats best for you jimmy, but we have to be coy about it so you dont freak out so much".

Because they have said it, riot is already dismantling it for a "remake" and integration into the shitty rotating queue (with so many game modes, just having on the weekends is... stupid).

Dehitay6 votes

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They said if Treeline becomes as barren as Dominion did they might think of it In what universe is that saying that they are going to do it

Somebody doesn't actually know what happened with Dominion. The playerbase didn't kill that. Riot did. Here's a general list of what's going to happen: Riot limits ranked play on TT because not enough people are playing in their opinion less people play as a result these two may cycle Riot removes ranked for TT With ranked removed from TT, even less people play Riot doesn't update TT as much less people play Riot stops updating TT less people play Riot says TT isn't popular enough and removes it.

It's really not about how popular Twisted Treeline is. It's about how they don't want to do the upkeep on multiple game modes. Riot is lazy! That's why Dominion disappeared. That's why game modes rotate instead of staying accessible as customs. That's why bots are banned in waves instead of immediately. That's why the tribunal hasn't come back. That's why there's no sandbox mode. That's why there's no video replay. That's why they're not doing some needed updates till the League Client Update is finished. That's why so much crap that should be done isn't.

Rysophage1 votes

just like dominion, who the hell cares. all 10 of you don't represent millions

Blue Moon Wolf4 votes

The helpful thing about those modes is they draw in bot accounts, so they don't spread in norms and ranked. Imagine you are in the last match of your series and suddenly you see one person who doesn't have a keystone mastery and will not answer you at all, head mid when there is already a mid laner and proceeds to repeatedly die to the enemy mid without using a single ability, while stealing minions from the actual midlaner. They never buy any items past the initial Dorans and 3 item 2003's and get the enemy extremely fed. That is what dominion, Co-Op vs AI, and TT have had to deal with for ages. When dominion got removed, They moved to other modes and now infest them. They have even have spread to ARAM and Riot has mentioned little on how they will fix the problem. Like it or not, underused modes help filter these bots so they don't wreak havoc in the main modes. The fewer modes that are available, the more likely they will end up in ranked.

Only Play Darius5 votes

Back in the days of XP in custom games you would actually see almost no botting in norms. Riot should just bring that back tbh consolidate the problem and keep it away from the players

EvilMerodach1 votes

Good. 3v3 sucked once they added the the stupid capture areas to it.

Raeyxx1 votes

Weren't people suspecting this was coming after they took out Dominion? (The original one, not DND.)

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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Weren't people suspecting this was coming after they took out Dominion? (The original one, not DND.)

Yea. But Riot kept saying "no, we're not removing 3v3...."

......mfw 2016 and still believing Riot's lies..... xD

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