2 million mastery points support Singed (who climbed to Plat at one point) is 2 week banned and under threat of permaban if he keeps playing it, because his teammates don't want him to pick it.
gj Rito.
http://i.imgur.com/Oqdw9hp.gif/img
Seriously, what the fuck?
Saianna152 votesHere's one of comments I find quite... good:
This has always been Riot's attitude. Back when Evelynn was so bad she was literally used as a placeholder in tournament champion select, there was a guy who got perma-banned for playing her. He posted on General Discussion and said he never flamed, never trolled, and won more often than not. But every time his team lost, he'd get 4-man reported (or 9-man reported) and it kept getting him banned. Riot responsed by saying, "Well, your teammates clearly don't want you to pick Eve, but you picked her anyway. And that's refusal to communicate, which is a bannable offense." It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. Picking something off-meta that you genuinely enjoy playing, and trying your damnedest to win while playing that off-meta pick, should not be a bannable offense.
Risk of Fate59 votesI agree and that is one of the reasons I started to get bored of League. Things became so standardized, the meta was enforced to the point where your team will flame you if you pull off-meta things even if it were in normal draft.
League of Legends is, I'm going to say this again and again, a video game. What does that mean? It means have fun and/or win if that is your goal. People should not be afraid to try something new and, if it works, more power to them. In order for the game to survive, it's people like him to show there are other ways to play a game.
By the logic of this argument, that means I can report the following because it will create a negative experience for me as they are off-meta picks: Lux (Support), Miss Fortune (Support), Brand (Support), Annie (Support), Nautilus (Top/Jungle), Graves (Jungle), Vayne (Top), Quinn (Top), Yasuo (Tank), Akali (Tank), Ekko (Tank), Master Yi (Tank).
If this is how people react to new metas, I'm honestly surprised with how North America made it into Worlds by sticking to things that were established and throwing a fit over some new strategy. ROX Tigers won against SKT using the Support Miss Fortune and look what happened? However, Miss Fortune's not a support so that means if I see you either on my team or the enemy team, I would be in full right to report you for it.
The idea that Support is just a ward bot absolutely bothers me to no end. This is a team game, I have 3 stealth wards and 1 control ward. If you want map coverage, help me. I see you with that yellow trinket. No matter what role I'm playing, I'm usually at 20+ wards placed across the board. As your support, my job is to keep my suicidal carry alive long enough to get to the mid game.
Need Gold 4 Tent24 votesBruiser Yi (pre-rework) was something I would've laughed at, until an Atmogs+PD Tank Yi whooped my ass. Then, I thought about it and suddenly it made sense because of how strong old defense items were and how many free steroids he got that he didn't need an overload of offense to kill squishies. That shit won me a load of games until I got sick of it, but there was no shortage of flaming from the team when they saw the Giant's Belt in my inventory.
This is not right. If he is punished for refusing to communicate (or cooperate), why is it fair that his team is not cooperating with him instead? Instead of bitching about him, they would probably stand a better chance if they cooperated with him by:
There is a whole 5 minutes if I recall correctly in champion select to plan this, no reason to go "gg repot nub troll"
Risk of Fate3 votesThat's usually what I do. If someone on my team picks something weird like Support Nasus (I don't remember if he wanted to or it happened from circumstance), but we were both messed up bot lane. I didn't flame him and instead tried to accommodate him by letting him steal some of my farm only if he could get relic stacks off on the cannons at least.
Another instance was my mess-up in thinking I was jungler and somehow ended up with a Caitlyn-Vi botlane. We dominated our lane and I was thinking "I want to do this more often, free CC and damage."
Need Gold 4 Tent10 votesRight. And you never know, sometimes it even bloody became the meta!
As far as I know, the meta has currently become quite stable because... Riot has been enforcing it with each patch. While Runeglaive Ez was a nightmare that I don't want to think of again, look at how quickly they destroyed the lane smites any time they became even remotely popular.
I still bring smite to lane occasionally. Bloodrazor Kog, which I thought of immediately when Bloodrazor was released, being a level 7 Kog main that time. Yet when I first took it, all I got was flaming in champ select. Then some pro guy/streamer who I don't even know (please, I don't bother with tourneys) even bother to remember did it, then the next time I played "Oh, <whatever his name>'s build."
U R Good At Game3 votesYes but that was a rare occurence. Let's talk about the majority. Majority governs the rules of the world. Game or not. The majority of players that used to play evelynn or something like support singed were just playing them for the Yolo in ranked. A serious and competitive environment.
Here is my view of playing off meta. Why? Their are 30+ viable champs for each role in the meta. Why get flamed, be underpowered, and generally known as a troll just to play out of meta.
Saianna25 votesBecause someone just can't stand playing most OP 10 picks.
We have 130~~ champions in this game. Are you saying should I get banned by picking something outside "The Elite Box"?
Come on man..
The Whamboozler8 votesThat IS what most people say.... because most people are stupid.
But the bullying masses get their way, always.
EVG Mike42 votesIf anyone here actually took the time to read into that any further, this player was not suspended for playing something off-meta. He was suspended for refusing to cooperate with his team and creating a negative atmosphere for which he was WARNED before being suspended.
Jesus is Savior28 votes[{quoted}](name=Light of Way,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zw7bKbir,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-14T11:17:26.587+0000)
If anyone here actually took the time to read into that any further, this player was not suspended for playing something off-meta. He was suspended for refusing to cooperate with his team and creating a negative atmosphere for which he was WARNED before being suspended.
So muting your team is bannable then because you're "not cooperating" (because you can't see what they type)?
EVG Mike7 votesTyping is not a requirement of playing league, nor is reading your teammates chat.
Lunnainn44 votes[{quoted}](name=Light of Way,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zw7bKbir,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-14T11:17:26.587+0000)
If anyone here actually took the time to read into that any further, this player was not suspended for playing something off-meta. He was suspended for refusing to cooperate with his team and creating a negative atmosphere for which he was WARNED before being suspended.
No, it clearly states in the screenshot, that his account is suspended due to being involved in negative behaviour and that the negative behaviour consisted of him picking Singed Support when his teammates did not want him to play Singed Support. It was even given a green light that the playstyle he has was not bannable in itself, since it would be fine for him to play like that with friends in normals. That means, the reason he's given a warning and a suspension is because his teammates dont want him to play Singed Support.
EVG Mike1 votesA man walks into a jewish community, pulls out a megaphone, and starts yelling anti-semetic things. Freedom of speech or disrupting the peace?
If you tell me it is freedom of speech, I am going to ask you why you think it is okay for a toxic person to harass others without consequence. If you tell me it is disrupting the peace, I am going to assume you now agree with riot's decision in this matter.
Either way, I am going to destroy your argument because you are not smart enough to defend it.
Lunnainn18 votesthe FUQ are you talking about?
You're pulling freedom of speech/disrupting peace when I pointed out that Riot states in the screenshot that they're banning the dude because of him playing Singed Support.
"Either way, I am going to destroy your argument" - go ahead. I'm waiting. So far you've done nothing. "because you're not smart enough to defend it." - you know nothing of my mental capabilities. You're trying to trashtalk, nothing more.
You can go on how much you want about the majority of people dont want someone to be played. That has been said about Teemo for ages - people have been dodging games when someone picking Teemo (regardless of role). The majority of people do not want to play with a Teemo. Period. So, when are Riot going to go out and start banning people who exclusively play him?
Anyway, good luck with that destroying of yours. You need it, since you cant even finish a post where you say you'll "destroy someones argument".
Ravenhale33 votesThe screenshot shows they don't have an issue with him picking Singed Support but that he's actually playing Duo Jungle.
Basically, the ADC doesn't get a Support that game.
Lunnainn17 votesJust because he's using Smite doesnt mean he isnt in lane. Heck, I played Smite Ivern support and invaded randomly AND was in lane helping my adc. All we know is that he's smite-invading, but not to what extent. For all we know, he can sit in lane with the ADC for 85-90% of the time.
ADC's are kinda bitchy about that, tbh - sometimes I run warding when my adc bases, and if I'm not back in lane when they hit the stairs, they complain instantly about me "not being in lane". Heck, I'd be really interested to actually spectate one of the Singed Supports actual games, just to see how much it's bitchy bitching and how much is legitimate complaints.
Ravenhale15 votesI doubt Riot would say he is counter jungling if they didn't actually spectate a game or two. You have to give the company a little credit there. There's no reason to ban someone for not building Sightstone or for taking Smite. Even getting a ton of reports without a shred of toxicity won't get you banned by their automated program. That's when they start looking at your games to see if you are AFK, intentionally feeding, etc.
This is more an issue of whether or not Duo Jungle should be a bannable offense. Apparently Riot thinks tactics like Duo Top, Duo Mid and Duo Jungle are best suited for premades. No abusing their queue system for Supports to employ off Meta tactics.
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Surr20plz59 votes[{quoted}](name=Gargamel Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zw7bKbir,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-14T11:08:20.215+0000)
everyone conveniently ignoring that he made a very deliberate point to not communicate or cooperate with his team, to the point of having a copy paste ready to tell his team he would be doing so. it doesnt matter if you say ahead of time you will be refusing to cooperate it doesnt give you the green light to do so. breaking the meta is not punishable - pointedly refusing to be a team player is.
He is cooperating by winning.
The rest of the team has no say in what champ you play if you're playing to win.
HongChongDong16 votesHe is cooperating by winning.
The rest of the team has no say in what champ you play if you're playing to win.
Completely and utterly wrong. I could be playing full attackspeed nunu support and still try to win. The problem is that if he becomes the direct cause for a lost game then 4 other people are affected because he chose not to listen to what his team wanted and instead thought he'd just risk it because he was confident in himself.
Best princess EU27 votessupport singed isn't the same thing as full attack speed nunu
why is this shit upvoted?
HongChongDong4 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zw7bKbir,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T11:58:43.196+0000)
support singed isn't the same thing as full attack speed nunu
why is this shit upvoted?
Can you honestly say support singed isn't the same? It's a clearly useless pick that doesn't belong in the bot lane and can easily lose lane very quickly for your team.
Limmie31 votesIf it's so useless, explain the positive winrate.
HongChongDong4 votesIf it's so useless, explain the positive winrate.
Good player and/or shitty enemy? If he's been through low elo and only into plat then it's not too difficult to pull something like that off those elos. Though I will admit that the amount of mastery points is still impressive. But what happens when the enemy isn't worst? If the enemy is better or atleast competent to a certain standard then those off meta picks will start to show why they're off meta in the first place.
At that point his poor decision to pick that pick and lack of caring about his teammates not wanting it nor any cares directed towars their LP all becomes massive problems that he should be punished for. It's not his LP he's losing for his mistakes, it's 4 others as well.
Fidus Achates20 votesSame way i should have been permabaned for spamming 2 support champions.
Doesn;t matter if they are in meta ,i play only these no matter what and dodge if i get other role.
How i get diamond?
-Shitty enemy teams ofc both season .Don't look at win rates its 100% the shity enemy team.
Why skt won the worlds?
Sounds legit.
Picking off meta champions is allowed (officially ) .Riot should either make clear to community the rules or this specific case. -The 90% of bronze support don;t rush sightstone but the ticket included it. -A lot of players are playing off meta champions even at high elo . -a player with positive win rate = he knows how to play even if his gameplay is strange.
HongChongDong4 votes[{quoted}](name=Achates NamiXxX,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zw7bKbir,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T14:04:28.018+0000)
Same way i should have been permabaned for spamming 2 support champions.
Doesn;t matter if they are in meta ,i play only these no matter what and dodge if i get other role.
How i get diamond?
-Shitty enemy teams ofc both season .Don't look at win rates its 100% the shity enemy team.
Why skt won the worlds?
- Shitty enemy teams.
Sounds legit.
Picking off meta champions is allowed (officially ) .Riot should either make clear to community the rules or this specific case. -The 90% of bronze support don;t rush sightstone but the ticket included it. -A lot of players are playing off meta champions even at high elo . -a player with positive win rate = he knows how to play even if his gameplay is strange.
Let me rephrase the use of "Shitty enemy team" into player errors that does not count as usable data concerning the viability of the pick. I'll use the same example. If I play full attackspeed on hit nunu support in bronze and carry, are you going to say the pick is viable, or are you going to say that their own errors lead to me abusing their inexperience? If it was flat out diamond or higher we both know the singed support wouldn't work and that alone is an indication that it's based on how good the enemy's gameplay is.
SKT won because the enemy made errors that could've been avoided. In the end there is no luck, chance, or random happenings in league (besides those pesky crits) someone makes a mistake and the other person doesn't. This is league of legends.
So, that means this pick will have varying degrees of success based on the enemy's skill level which still proves my point.
The difference between off meta in high elo and this? The picks they make in high elo have grounded logic behind them and are played by players who KNOW the pick works, can play the pick to a highly refined standard, and is not based on some gimmick like inexperienced enemies.
a player with a positive win rate = he knows how to outplay people of his current elo. Again, if he faces off against people with increasingly higher elo then the pick starts showing its holes more and more until he meets more experienced players and the enemy simply won't fall to it anymore.
ChuChuMuthaDucka10 votesThe point you're missing is that meta vs off meta is irrelevant here. This guy made it to plat, not worlds. If he was ' "refusing to communicate' with his team in pro play, then yeah he should be punished, but this guy was just playing for fun in a VIDEO GAME. Not only that, but he wasn't trying to ruin the game for anyone. He was doing something he has obviously done before and is good at. And you're saying he should be punished for it. Either you're just another annoying troll or you need to reconsider how much you care about the way other people play video games.
Need Gold 4 Tent8 votesIF a Soraka didn't rush Sightstone, it's just being noob and not reportable.
If a Malphite doesn't do that, he's a troll and reported if the game is lost.
Funnily enough though, if he crushed the lane leaving with a full mejai's and contributes to a 20 min surrender by the enemy, it absolves him of that offense.
The community already holds double standards to some things, and from the way I see it, so does Riot. An act shouldn't be an offense until it exists in the rules. The not communicating rule is also biased, because if you look at it another way, the team isn't communicating with him either even after he explained his strategy. So, perhaps the entire team should be punished?
Besides, he did communicate. His team refused to listen to him.
Limmie54 votesIf Singed support was the cause of the team losing then he'd have a negative winrate. If he doesn't it's because he contributed properly.
Ravenhale21 votesHe wasn't playing Singed Support. If you follow the links and read the issue, you would realize he is playing Duo Jungle.
Velzard of Koz6 votesStill, that means he's being banned for playing off-meta.
Ravenhale17 votesTechnically they are banning him over failure to communicate and cooperate. They're not outright saying they are banning him over picking Support and then running Duo Jungle. The personalized half of the ban stated that if he wanted to Duo Jungle, he should do so with friends.
It's a flimsy ban and I have to wonder how many times he was reported for them to do it.
Velzard of Koz3 votesWell, yeah, I know they've claimed that, but that sounds more like excuse.
When you pick something off-meta, of course there will be games and players disliking it. Are you supposed to be repeating the same thing "I've been playing like this for some time, I have it trained, decent winrate, other players accepted it" in order to "communicate"? That way If you mute someone you are endangering yourself with being banned. Might as well remove the feature.
And if he expressed he communicates by not doing the off-meta pick? Well here we are at meta forced by players again. What If I am support and I can't play tanky support so I go harassing support with slight damage? My ADC throws tantrum and reports me despite the fact there is whole bunch of people playing damage-based harassing mage now. Which ones are to be banned and which ones are fine? Am I supposed to rely on my ADC not being rager? Do I have to wait for some pro to abuse Morgana as Support so that she isn't midlane only. Oh wait. We just have to wait for pro to use roaming Singed support and suddenly it's not bannable. Or is it? Maybe pro plays should have disclaimer "Do not try this at Ranked". There was this legend of River Shen. Good lord I hope the player got banned.
All of these inconsistencies is why I ignore the "refused to communicate" excuse. Because he could either communicate and have meta forced upon him, which I might not have problem with, but is not what Riot supports by their rules or ignore their ranting and here we are at ban for refusing to communicate.
That's why I just ignore the part in argumentation -> only that I wanted to say.
Ravenhale13 votesI understand he had a prewritten description of what he was doing and copy/pasted it into the champion select. So, he told them what he was going to do, but would ignore/refuse any protests against the strategy. I dislike a ban on this premise of unwilling to conform to your team's demands, because it could be leveled at any off meta champion even in their assigned role. That being said, I understand that they manually audited his games to confirm he was playing in a manner that could be regarded as "negative behavior", whatever they define that is.
Very Hard Engage31 votesno its legit, riot specifically said on multiple occasions theres nothing wrong with off meta picks and were encouraged to try new things.
this is riot catering to high elo players.
hes not trolling and hes clearly maintaining a 50-50 win/loss, that in of itself is proof that hes not out to ruin games, hes not inting. its strictly whiny players not being able to handle a loss when "they have a singed support" not even trying to play with what he has to offer. hes not being verbally abusive. hes not harassing anyone, its strictly his team mates wanting him gone.
Ravenhale7 votesIt's not Singed Support. He is playing Duo Jungle.
BLACK REALM GOD9 votesno. it's singed support. dont even try to deny it by lying to yourself and everyone else.
quoting no sightstone, no communication, and leaving lane is just laughable.
when players are being harassed we are encouraged to mute and move on to prevent ourselves from getting into trouble. he already knew he was going to experience the flak from his teammates so he had a prepared description of his style that was well written albeit a bit harsh. i'd be harsh too if i had to deal with people ridiculing me and criticizing me when im helping them win day in and day out.
then there's the leaving lane part. guess i'll be reporting bard the next time i see him. that is if i decide to keep putting up with this non-sense to play the game.
finally there's the sightstone. as many players have stated there are lots of players who dont ward or use sight stone. this argument is invalid and is in direct conflict with what one of the designers said in the podcast for 2017 preseason. "we want to make support more attractive to a larger player base". good job whoever that was at literally doing the exact opposite.
Ravenhale4 votesSigh...
The Riot employee specifically cited counter jungling, no sightstone (bad reason IMO) and roaming (only an issue if excessive).
If you don't spend even half the laning phase with your ADC to allow them to CS, you are not a Support. You have no business queueing up as Support. That is the point Riot is making here.
Have no idea what your beef with Bard is. I've never heard of a Bard leaving lane to counter jungle. They collect a couple chimes, ward and journey their way back before falling too far behind in experience. Often they leave a couple health pools behind before wandering off. You're not going to be able to sell me that Singed and Bard offer the same support capabilities.
I'm on the fence as to whether or not Duo Jungle should be bannable. I get Riot's stance based on how they assign roles. It's clear that they don't want Duo Top, Duo Jungle or Duo Mid. If you pick Fill, you get Support. There's no "non support" option.
Lastly... this isn't Riot vs a Singed "Support" player. This is a Singed "Support" player vs multiple players that filed so many complaints that Riot took action. If he was actually playing their definition of a Support, they would have fallen back on their stance of off meta picks are not bannable.
BLACK REALM GOD13 votessinged tanks better than bard. has better lane presence than bard. has more CC than bard. synergizes way more with the current meta than bard. has higher movement speed than bard. DOES NOT have to leave lane for full benefit. bard has an ability that can negatively impact his team and be used as a weapon of grief. singed has higher late game stats than bard. singed can push a single lane more effectively than bard. what does bard have? a pickup heal. whoopity doo.
once their new position pick system comes out and 99% of the player base is choosing to not play support you'll wish they had a "non-support" option.
the point is that what he was doing was working and he wasnt flaming back. he was dealing with all of the hate and still helping his team try to win. when his team was telling him that they give up or that he's garbage and troll and etc. etc. he kept playing and tried to win. do you really want to encourage that kind of behavior? 4-mans outing a solo player for the sake of their opinions on what is and isnt viable? think about that for a second before you defend this load of crap. even if it's just support singed vs 4 players why is riot agreeing with those 4? today it's support singed tomorrow it's any champ that doesnt heal.
Paroe4 votes[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zw7bKbir,comment-id=000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-14T18:38:27.774+0000)
singed tanks better than bard. has better lane presence than bard. has more CC than bard. synergizes way more with the current meta than bard. has higher movement speed than bard. DOES NOT have to leave lane for full benefit. bard has an ability that can negatively impact his team and be used as a weapon of grief. singed has higher late game stats than bard. singed can push a single lane more effectively than bard. what does bard have? a pickup heal. whoopity doo.
once their new position pick system comes out and 99% of the player base is choosing to not play support you'll wish they had a "non-support" option.
the point is that what he was doing was working and he wasnt flaming back. he was dealing with all of the hate and still helping his team try to win. when his team was telling him that they give up or that he's garbage and troll and etc. etc. he kept playing and tried to win. do you really want to encourage that kind of behavior? 4-mans outing a solo player for the sake of their opinions on what is and isnt viable? think about that for a second before you defend this load of crap. even if it's just support singed vs 4 players why is riot agreeing with those 4? today it's support singed tomorrow it's any champ that doesnt heal.
+1 :c Ive been chat banned on a pre-30 account several times because i wouldnt pick sona/soraka/nami when the ADC and co wanted it.
BLACK REALM GOD6 votesthis is why i quit playing in season 2. i wasnt allowed to karthus mid. any time i wanted to karthus mid i got reported and people would purposely run up and feed my lane or afk. i thought this crap was gone after season 4. guess not.
chat bannings are different. they're caused by fighting back verbally. that's my point though. this person didnt try to argue or flame or even troll. he said "this is what im playing and here's why. riot defends me because im doing what's right" and bam. nope. riot defends the players who are being complete and total jerks instead of the guy who followed every rule on the summoners code.
Ravenhale25 votesWell... reading the response from Riot
"I highly recommend not doing it anymore except doing it with a group of friends who don't mind that you're playing Singed Support to go counter jungle, not build Sightstone, and roam."
In essence, the issue with this player is that they are not a Support. It has nothing to do with him picking an off meta support. He is taking the support spot in order to Duo Jungle. It would be the same as someone picking Zed support and going to the Mid lane River Bush, cheese the enemy mid laner and effectively Duo Mid the whole laning phase.
He is being banned for an Off Meta tactic. I guess that is bannable.
Cowseed7 votesSo.... Riot is now banning for using different strategies? This is downright the stupidest thing I have ever heard and I do hope your wrong about that because that put's RIOT under a dunce cap in my eyes.
chipndip14 votesHe's being banned for forcing an off meta strategy on his team that clearly doesn't want it. And yes, Riot has clearly stated somewhere that playing in a way that disregards your team is a no-no.
Manwalrus11 votesAll they've stated here in this (https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player) thread about reporting players is that.
"1) DO NOT REPORT A SUMMONER FOR MAKING MISTAKES OR POOR JUDGMENT CALLS DURING THE GAME"
"3) DO NOT REPORT A SUMMONER FOR TACTICAL DISAGREEMENTS"
and
"5) DO NOT REPORT A SUMMONER FOR NOT STICKING TO THE METAGAME"
They've stated that reporting someone for strategical disagreements is a no-no. If it worked that way I could report every single vayne I support and it would be justified.
If anyone is interested there's also a screenshot of old Gangplank saying "Shiver me timber, that tower ****ed me harder than the entire Demacian Navy"
chipndip16 votesIn that same link:
It's one thing to do what you're supposed to do a bit differently. It's a different thing to take up the support slot and then go double jg with it while your adc is left in a lane alone, even if your whole team is against it. The latter is reportable because you're just griefing your team with a risky, sub-par strategy for the sake of your ego/YT montage.
Manwalrus5 votesIt's not like he's some troll in the depths of bronze, this guy is plat, he's clearly playing to win and not griefing. It's pretty hard to grief your way to platinum. There's tons of players in Diamond+ that play weird off meta stuff (Orianna with smite, AD Malz jungle, Tank twitch top, there's even a guy who got to challenger with attack speed Teemo jungle) should we ban them too? This guy could climb to plat playing it, so he's not trolling and on another note who would watch a YouTube montage of support singed?
Allow me to link you this: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4nfr6n/june_successful_players_who_use_unusual/
Sagaxwiki2 votesYou know what the difference between all of your other examples and support singed is though? All of those people are presumably queuing for and playing the role in which they are taking their off-meta champ. In the case of the support singed though, he is queuing as one role then playing a completely different one (despite its other benefits the new draft undeniably enforces at least a general understanding of the meta). What he is doing now is effectively equivalent to someone who was assigned a different role taking your role without asking you because he thinks that he can play it better. Presumably he will try to win in the game, but it doesn't change the fact that his actions were undeniably unsportsmanlike.
Manwalrus5 votesBy that logic now I can report someone every time they play a mid laner support (ex. 
). If that's the case I'd let the singed support get banned any day.
maembe2 votesBy that logic now I can report someone every time they play a mid laner support (ex.
Not even remotely the same, unless they don't go to the bot lane and instead start farming midlane. Playing an off-meta champ is not against the rules. Not playing your selected role is.
