The actual reason why vayne is so strong

Lady Hammerlock··1 votes·757 views

its not her true dmg its not her mobility its not her self peel kit

but what do you get when a champion has all 3 aspects i mentioned? they become to reliable she is a ticking time bomb ready to 1 vs 1 when she gets a bork her snowball item is also way cheaper then most other adc's

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disregardable1 votes

Rengar o look she died

*replace Rengar with literally any assassin of your choice

HentRex1 votes

Um... Taric support. Goodnight vayne.

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

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Um... Taric support. Goodnight vayne.

Bronze argument. In low Elo this will happen,in high Elo where supports heard of mikael's crucide and qss no.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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Rengar o look she died

*replace Rengar with literally any assassin of your choice

A wild Amumu pressed R and now the assassin exploded before anything happened.

disregardable1 votes

you mean the ADC is team reliant and got peel?

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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you mean the ADC is team reliant and got peel?

Well, it is a team game, every role requires allies to full fill their job... Assassins, contrary to what people think, don't really do much on their own in a 5v5 situation other than die, they need their team to draw aggro to allow them to do their job, a tank is worthless with no follow up and can't take objectives reliably, carries, whether adc or a mage need a team for protection, utility based champions need allies to support.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Oh look, the assassin played like a fucking retard and died, what's new?

Meanwhile, a competent assassin jumps in at the right time.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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Oh look, the assassin played like a fucking retard and died, what's new?

Meanwhile, a competent assassin jumps in at the right time.

Having someone holding onto cc surely is unheard of, good luck with that "right time".

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

It's not like there are any other champions that can force them to try and use their CC, right? Definitely not Lee Sin diving the team and chucking the Marksman into his own team, certainly not Tahm Kench trying to eat your support, absolutely not Wukong fucking your shit up with Cyclone...

Insert one, and team's done.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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It's not like there are any other champions that can force them to try and use their CC, right? Definitely not Lee Sin diving the team and chucking the Marksman into his own team, certainly not Tahm Kench trying to eat your support, absolutely not Wukong fucking your shit up with Cyclone...

Insert one, and team's done.

Janna clicks R and everything is all set.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Oh yeah, Janna can set up perfectly for an assassin too, forgot about her.

Thanks :D

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

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Rengar o look she died

*replace Rengar with literally any assassin of your choice

Ekko decent player won't let ekko land his w,and she has her point and click knockback and tumble. Fizz again,without the magical fish fuzz's power is really reduced(fu autocorrect)and he then wastes his troll poke to get to you and he obviously can't kill you with Q,w. Still tumble and point and click knockback. Khazix without isolation can't really assassinate preperly,tumble,point and click knockback. Leblanc 1 mr item and Vayne Isn't instakilled. Katarina so easily countered. Tumble+ point and click knockback. MasterYi point and click knockback,will usually blow up if he goes Allah Akbar. Shaco pink ward and you can use your point and click knockback. Rengar the only one that even with true vision got 70% chance of cutting her head of before she can react. Talon another Allah Akbar assassin. With the silence removed Vayne can use her point and click gap closer. Yasuo windwall,My shield is here for you,untargebility and completely immune to cc are the only counter play to vayne's point and click knockback(spell shield isn't included because we ALL know all the spell shields will blow up before the champs will even get to Vayne. A decent yasuo can be problem for a decent Vayne but an expert vs expert Vayne wins both teamfight and duels. Zed qss can't kill you,point and click knockback.

The problem with Vayne is that Most champions who are going to fight Vayne(fighters,tanks,assassins,etc)have 1 mobility spell(gap closer) and they will use it only to a least get to her and then will be hardcore kited after Vayne uses her point and click knockback. The only exceptions I can possibly see areVi Riven Maokai (ya know)LeeSin Fizz Fiora (literally infinite special plus W parry)Akali Ahri

Edit1:yes true you can counter my argument with saying multiple diverse can dive her but then I can counter yours with that her team can peel for her. Re

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

How are people getting out-traded by BoRK?

Vayne wins when you allow her to all-in with BoRK + her bonus AD from Ult. Other than when she has her ult up, there's no way she's going to win short trades or burst fights against an AD going IE first.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

she can since invis exists she has 2 ad steroids top that with true dmg

the only exception to this 1 vs 1 rule is Draven vayne will always lose

LaserDeathBlade1 votes

As I said the only time she'd out trade is with her ult up

So don't get into a situation where she could all in you

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

true true to 1 vs 1 without ult vayne will need a bit of attackspeed

Snowyamur1 votes

Um.... ShacoShaco with 450 AD and insta-crit? Yeah, I think VayneVayne is a gonner.

ReshiKillim2 votes

Shaco doesn't even need that much AD to make Vayne a goner. Bruiser Shaco (Which is a legit build that's gone to challenger before) has enough damage to quickly kill a Vayne.

Snowyamur1 votes

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Shaco doesn't even need that much AD to make Vayne a goner. Bruiser Shaco (Which is a legit build that's gone to challenger before) has enough damage to quickly kill a Vayne.

Ohh, you know what? Bruiser ShacoShaco is good. But AP Shaco is even better, that in conjunction with high AD.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

for vayne to win something like that you have to be gosu or some shit......

RyzeRework1 votes

just wait till the new jungler comes out her plus vayne will be a nightmare

Snowyamur1 votes

VayneVayne + Kindred + ZileanZilean = Yep, done playing this broken game.

Nimba1 votes

1v1ing is what Vayne has going for her. She doesn't waveclear like Sivir or siege like Cait, she can't push towers like Trist or poke like Corki. Being able to straight up kill someone in a duel is Vayne's thing, she sacrifices what most other adcs have to possess this.

If Vayne wasn't mobile or could peel by herself she'd be garbage tier. An adc that's not really good at getting objectives through any other means than by straight up killing people will struggle if shes bad at killing people.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

I've been saying that on other threads you forgot she can't aoe like a jinx its not that in exactly complaining its more like people need to know her real problem isn't her kit its just that as a champion she is way way to reliable

Social Justice 11 votes

Vayne is strong because Tumble does more damage than Silver Bolts at every point in the game, barring full Armor tanks

Krinu1 votes

I fought Jungle Vayne as Mundo once.

She killed me, and 40% of the damage I took was true damage from her passive.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

luckily they are nerfing kayle,vayne,kog'maw,kindred jg

Krinu1 votes

Which I'm a little sad about - it was nice having Kayle be viable, even if it was just in the jungle - but if having one of my main characters knocked off the list is the cost for taking down the abomination that is Sated Vayne, I will happily accept it.

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