So who spiked the punch at Riots Live Balance team meetings?

HateDaddy·Jul 10, 2015·84 votes·6,828 views

Because there's no way anyone in their right mind would let this devourer make it to live.

Hotfix where?

80 Comments

BiggestNoob3verJul 10, 201545 votes

Yeah. They need to at least balance it a bit by giving the other enchants a pet too.

HateDaddyJul 10, 201526 votes

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Yeah. They need to at least balance it a bit by giving the other enchants a pet too.

Oh you didn't know?

They decided s5 was the season to have a competition on who could make the most OP jungle item and try to present it as "balanced"

Ariel the CruelJul 10, 201529 votes

They should put CertainlyT in that contest. If nothing else, what ever he makes is bound to be toxic enough to distract people from the others.

Only Play DariusJul 10, 201510 votes

Hey, please be civil. Don't call out specific champion designers. Some of us like playing his champs.

Darius Zed Thresh Yasuo

Kalista <- This bitch can burn in hell though.

Ariel the CruelJul 10, 201531 votes

Playing as them is just fine. Hell, even I have fun playing Yas and Thresh on occasion. Playing against them is a different matter entirely. Thresh is probably the least problematic, but he still has the problem of crowding out other supports due to being so overloaded.

Kalista <- If nothing else, we agree on this one.

AFK PushJul 10, 201525 votes

Darius counterplay: stay away from him until midgame as the other melee laner.

#mothafuckincounterplay

Only Play DariusJul 10, 20158 votes

Yea, he's one of my favorite toplaners, and I actually wish this wasn't true. They just stay away from me entire early game so I can't really bully them, since they aren't farming I end up pushing lane and I ALWAYS end up getting ganked, and Darius is literally the most vulnerable champ to ganks in the game. If I try to bully I get ganked, without fail. He's total gank bait.

I main Nasus so I know that Darius is absolute torture to play against as certain melees, but honestly if you have a jungler who isn't a complete idiot then it should be an easy lane. When I play Nasus I can easily handle Darius rest of the game after a couple of good ganks from my jungler. Likewise, playing as Darius I destroy my enemy until the enemy jungler starts babysitting them, then I get hardcore camped and after enough 2v1's they get caught up and all my hard work is undone.

Dextix LTJul 10, 201513 votes

Darius pushing and getting ganked?

Only Play DariusJul 10, 20159 votes

Darius is hilariously easy to gank before level 6. Even after level 6 he is an easy gank if your jungler isn't an idiot who decides to gank at <50% HP.

Of course you should never turret dive him, any half-decent Darius will pull you in, spin2win AA cancel dunk and your dead before you could even get a second attack in.

AFK PushJul 10, 20152 votes

I just picked him up, he is really fun I'll give you that. I just wish they didn't make his laning so oppressive to play against, and made him more mid game oriented. His ult is already designed so it can be used on multiple opponents when it resets, why not make him more midgame/teamfight oriented? Take away some from his early and give him more mid game.

#weneedmoredunks

Only Play DariusJul 10, 20152 votes

I wouldn't mind seeing some power shaved off of his stupid early game if it gave him more midgame and lategame power. His midgame isn't very good because he has zero mobility and no ranged CC, no matter how fed he is his roams are trash because people just casually walk away from him since he is so god damn slow (his trash roams are part of the reason he defaults to splitpushing). His late game damage is fine, but he is short ranged and no matter how many tank items he builds, he never seems to get tanky enough to last a fair amount of time on the frontline.

AFK PushJul 10, 20151 votes

That's why I like item 3800 on him, granted it doesn't make up for all of the weaknesses he has.

Only Play DariusJul 10, 20151 votes

I never thought about using that item. I have seen other players build item 3142 on him for the same reason.

Then again glory just got nerfed so maybe it isn't worth buying.

IcyPepperJul 10, 20151 votes

why not get both?

One damage item that gives penetration, one defensive item. Perfect for a bruiser.

What Is SmiteJul 11, 20151 votes

Yea just throw on a LW to the free 25% armor pen he gets from max rank E for a total of : Fuck You and Fuck Your Armor

AFK PushJul 11, 20151 votes

I don't think Darius needs more than a item 3074 and item 3078 or preferably a item 3071 , since he already has tons of damage and the pen in his E. Righteous glory allows him to hard engage which is ultimately what you need as Darius.

With the phage part of item 3071 your W, item 3143 and item 3800 you should be able to stay on your target long enough for a kill.

PotatoRekerJul 10, 20151 votes

XinZhao

AFK PushJul 11, 20151 votes

Yes, xin can be oppressive as well, but you are less likely to run into a xin top than a darius. Not to mention at least the way he fights is mostly through autos, making champs like Pantheon Jax Fiora fairly strong against him. Darius doesn't give a shit which melee you chose at all, they are not usually going to have an easy lane.

ArsamesJul 10, 20153 votes

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Hey, please be civil. Don't call out specific champion designers. Some of us like playing his champs.

<- This bitch can burn in hell though.

CertainlyT didn't design Zed , Samizul did. CertainlyT just did the finishing touch.

DeusVultJul 10, 20152 votes

Which probably looked like this

Samizul: Zed is an Assassin who has strong waveclear and mobility, balanced by his use of mana and longer CDs. If he uses his shadow, you have a good opportunity to gank him, and when he ults, the shadow stays behind the target.

CertainlyT: That looks great. Now lets get rid of that nasty mana stuff and make him have minimal energy costs for maximum brainless poke and waveclear. Reduce all of his CDs. Oh, and at some point, the ult shadow is going to be moved so that it is a free escape after you dumped your kit on their carry

Samizul: But that's unbalanced as Fuck. How can you even propose these changes?

CertainlyT: Yes, your absolutely right; He hates balance.

Zed "Balance is a fool's master"

Samizul: But, but, but....

CertainlyT: Alright, it's settled then. My work here is finished; can't wait to see this new champ out on the Rift

FlagrockJul 10, 20152 votes

{quoted} CertainlyT: That looks great. Now lets get rid of that nasty mana stuff and make him have minimal energy costs for maximum brainless poke and waveclear. Reduce all of his CDs. Oh, and at some point, the ult shadow is going to be moved so that it is a free escape after you dumped your kit on their carry

You know that almost EVERY SINGLE ZED PLAYER complained about that change right? Literally the forums EXPLODED WITH QQ THREADS because it was cutting his dmg because of the 2nd clone dmg. So, saying that CertainlyT, who balanced it so that Zed would be stuck in the middle of combat and get wrecked, did that is absolutely false. Let's not tell random lies to try and degrade a game designer.

Zed was put that way because with the clone in someone's face he could even kill TANKS with his overloaded dmg. Then they decided to NERF his dmg but to be nice they wanted him to have a bit of "skill" involved like Leblanc and give him a way out so if you are good with your burst timing you can pop someone and get out of dodge so you weren't just a suicide diver like Talon, Akali, Diana, or any other melee assassin.

I do have to admit CertainlyT is terrible at balancing champions for release... I'm pretty sure Vladimir was one of his babies and almost positive the annoying Riven was too... but let's not forget the best dunk-master who is just a pubstomper Darius ... He's had some really broken champions who just are bad. Yes, he needs to work on that but then again he's given some amazingly fun champions Thresh but then again they did have to be nerfed due to a bit of overloaded numbers in their kit... I do have to say he makes champions that almost always stay viable though lol (because they're overloaded like none other)

ArsamesJul 10, 20152 votes

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You know that almost EVERY SINGLE ZED PLAYER complained about that change right? Literally the forums EXPLODED WITH QQ THREADS because it was cutting his dmg because of the 2nd clone dmg. So, saying that CertainlyT, who balanced it so that Zed would be stuck in the middle of combat and get wrecked, did that is absolutely false. Let's not tell random lies to try and degrade a game designer.

Zed was put that way because with the clone in someone's face he could even kill TANKS with his overloaded dmg. Then they decided to NERF his dmg but to be nice they wanted him to have a bit of "skill" involved like Leblanc and give him a way out so if you are good with your burst timing you can pop someone and get out of dodge so you weren't just a suicide diver like Talon, Akali, Diana, or any other melee assassin.

I do have to admit CertainlyT is terrible at balancing champions for release... I'm pretty sure was one of his babies and almost positive the annoying was too... but let's not forget the best dunk-master who is just a pubstomper ... He's had some really broken champions who just are bad. Yes, he needs to work on that but then again he's given some amazingly fun champions but then again they did have to be nerfed due to a bit of overloaded numbers in their kit... I do have to say he makes champions that almost always stay viable though lol (because they're overloaded like none other)

rofl, just shut your mouth. People like you shouldn't be allowed to play the game, neither Vladimir nor Riven are made by him.

CertainlyT is the best champion designer in this game. Anyone who dislikes CertainlyT is a fr00b n00b.

FlagrockJul 11, 20151 votes

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rofl, just shut your mouth. People like you shouldn't be allowed to play the game, neither nor are made by him.

CertainlyT is the best champion designer in this game. Anyone who dislikes CertainlyT is a fr00b n00b.

Sorry, he only made Darius the biggest pubstomp champion ever, along with Zyra who was so op at release it was funny, or should we look at Thresh who was a perma-ban as a SUPPORT... Yeah, 2 of the 5 champions that he made was considered broken op by everyone (including pros) so his track record isn't amazing on getting balance right the first time. However, he does have fun champion ideas, he just puts too much into one kit making them op. Stop freaking out about your love obsession

ArsamesJul 10, 20155 votes

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They should put CertainlyT in that contest. If nothing else, what ever he makes is bound to be toxic enough to distract people from the others.

CertainlyT makes the some of the most fun, healthy and coolest champion in the game, to play as and against. Only bad players and low elo players complain about CertainlyT.

Ariel the CruelJul 10, 20155 votes

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or honest opinion. . .

ArsamesJul 10, 20158 votes

Honest opinion, I love CertainyT. Thresh is terrible if you manage to side step his hooks and godly if you manage to land all your hooks. The champs CertainlyT makes scale hardcore with SKILL (most of them), that is why majority doesn't like CertainlyT, because majority are low elo and bad at the game, they can't play CertainlyT champs to their max potential, and get owned by those who can.

The EllimiistJul 10, 20156 votes

Maybe thresh takes some skill to play but any chimp can play darius xD

ArsamesJul 10, 20152 votes

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Maybe thresh takes some skill to play but any chimp can play darius xD

Darius was his first champion and is extremely outdated, he has the lowest winrate and lowest popuarity of all champs played by pros and high elo.

The EllimiistJul 10, 20152 votes

Im not sure I would call 52.x% and 57% with 125+ games played low winrate (plat+) but alright

ArsamesJul 10, 20151 votes

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Im not sure I would call 52.x% and 57% with 125+ games played low winrate (plat+) but alright

Plat is garbage elo, not pro nor high elo. Why are you talking about plat? I said pro and high elo.

The EllimiistJul 10, 20151 votes

Same winrate at higher also and if you think plat which goes from the 90% to 97% percentile is low/bad then may I recommend a basic statistics/math course :P

What Is SmiteJul 11, 20151 votes

CertainlyT champs scale with Micromanaging and that's about half of what skill actually is, skill in Moba's is the combination of micromanaging and Macromanaging (making calls and following through on them)

AFK PushJul 10, 20152 votes

I really hope the warrior changes don't do this as well... shit.

CreationFlawJul 10, 201514 votes

I mean, it makes the iffy champions like kayle and Aatrox wicked, but just smashes Yi and the others out above top tier into fuck you.

A Miss FortuneJul 10, 20152 votes

Kayle isn't even really "meh" anymore, she's really strong again now in lane even without Sated Devourers.

I don't know why they buffed her before they released Sated though, she's a nightmare. I felt bad for playing her.

Troy242621Jul 10, 20151 votes

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I mean, it makes the iffy champions like kayle and Aatrox wicked, but just smashes Yi and the others out above top tier into fuck you.

Udyr doesn't receive nearly enough complaints with Devourer :. He is a poor excuse for a design otherwise, but this makes him painful to play against.

KingsgraveJul 11, 20151 votes

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doesn't receive nearly enough complaints with Devourer :. He is a poor excuse for a design otherwise, but this makes him painful to play against.

He is still honestly Udyr and unless the Udyr player is a God, you can ignore him.

MalphiteIsStonedJul 10, 20157 votes

Yeah I know, I have been QQ for days about this... It was broken when it hit PBE.

Maestro80Jul 10, 20155 votes

Unfortunately, at my level of play, in the few games I've tried to go Devourer, all of my lanes lose before I can even get the damn item, and we surrender at 20 without me even seeing the completion of the item.

I'd love to say we lose the game because I'm afk jungling and not helping my team, but honestly, I can't even play a champ who needs level 6 to gank well, because the game is lost by then.

Maybe today I'll get a game in where I can actually try to see how OP this fucking item actually is.

KingsgraveJul 11, 20151 votes

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Unfortunately, at my level of play, in the few games I've tried to go Devourer, all of my lanes lose before I can even get the damn item, and we surrender at 20 without me even seeing the completion of the item.

I'd love to say we lose the game because I'm afk jungling and not helping my team, but honestly, I can't even play a champ who needs level 6 to gank well, because the game is lost by then.

Maybe today I'll get a game in where I can actually try to see how OP this fucking item actually is.

Get it on Xin and just constantly focus on ganking and clearing objectives.

Maestro80Jul 13, 20151 votes

I'll try that... thanks for the tip.

HateDaddyJul 10, 20154 votes

CertainlyTs champs are fine honestly

Darius needs a rework but he was released in s2 when champions were literally being dropped every 2 weeks, there was probably very little play testing back then. Yasuo might be the best designed champion in the game tbh. He's the only melee carry that actually works.

manbearswineJul 10, 20153 votes

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CertainlyTs champs are fine honestly

He's the only melee carry that actually works.

Jax?Nasus?Shyvanna? Nocturne? Riven? Irelia?

I mean sure,some of these aren't the best designed champions,but at least they aren't the hyper cancer yasuo is.

And just so we are clear,yes,yasuo is way more obnoxious than riven design wise(not current power level wise).

HateDaddyJul 10, 20153 votes

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He's the only melee carry that actually works.

Jax?Nasus?Shyvanna? Nocturne? Riven? Irelia?

I mean sure,some of these aren't the best designed champions,but at least they aren't the hyper cancer yasuo is.

And just so we are clear,yes,yasuo is way more obnoxious than riven design wise(not current power level wise).

Shyv is 10x more cancer than Yasuo is

These champions you mentioned are also figters, Yasuo is too but he has functions as a pseudo melee carry. Honestly only low elos think Yasuo is bad design because they don't understand how to trade with him. His lane phase for any melee carry/hybrid fighter is way healthier than literally every champion you just mentioned, and I'm saying that AS a Nasus main.

KingsgraveJul 11, 20151 votes

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Shyv is 10x more cancer than Yasuo is

These champions you mentioned are also figters, Yasuo is too but he has functions as a pseudo melee carry. Honestly only low elos think Yasuo is bad design because they don't understand how to trade with him. His lane phase for any melee carry/hybrid fighter is way healthier than literally every champion you just mentioned, and I'm saying that AS a Nasus main.

Yasuo has a lot more counterplay than Yi or Trynd do, but he can do a lot more. The latter is why people bitch.

Linna ExcelJul 10, 20151 votes

Isn't fiora good as a melee carry?

What Is SmiteJul 11, 20151 votes

Melee Carry/Assassin/Murderer of your entire team

KingsgraveJul 11, 20151 votes

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CertainlyTs champs are fine honestly

Darius needs a rework but he was released in s2 when champions were literally being dropped every 2 weeks, there was probably very little play testing back then. Yasuo might be the best designed champion in the game tbh. He's the only melee carry that actually works.

Yi is a Melee Carry.

So is Trynd.

What is your definition of "works"? Competitive play? LMAO