In every game each team is just combination of:
if you dare to use anything out of this roster you are just burden to your team and drasticly lower your chances for winning.
DaNinad7 votesWhy is Janna there? She's good but definitely not cancer
Ben Sharpio23 votesyou cant be serious
PiVoRx3 votesJanna is a support that is under the radar for ages, her abilities maybe not seem cancerous but are pain in the ass for sure.
Spice POWAH2 votesI think the main reason is because very few people play her at low elo, honestly, plus a lot of people consider her to be soraka levels of boring(to play I mean). if something happened to cause Janna to become meta in silver & below, she will get nerfed.
kamikazephyr1 votesIn that case no support will ever get nerfed. Welcome to bronze and silver, where support is just a mid with an optional sightstone!
And Janna can be garbage. With high cooldowns and low scalings, you need to actually wait to use it. In bronze I've seen Janna's use Q to poke. Not even with a follow up. Just purely Q damage poke. Lol. So that scenario is def never gonna happen.
Spice POWAH1 votesWell, anyone can be garbage with a champ. I use Janna's Q similarly to thet, but I use it to try to deny creeps and distract them, besides, might as well use abilities or I'm just wasting mana regen since I start 
on her, unless I'm losing in which case I save it for peel. In bronze I had to use nothing but morgana last season because there was a blitzcrank literally every game and my carry didn't know how to dodge or hide. Once I had first pick and I was gonna go janna, but then I had a feeling I should go morg, so I pick morg. Lo and behold, the enemy then proceeds to pick Blitz/Cait bot lane into a Morgana.
DaNinad2 votesJeez it was just a question, don't downvote me for being oblivious ;-;
OnanThaMan10 votesTry playing anything melee into a competent Janna. Then get back to me.
EndlessSorcerer12 votes[{quoted}](name=Onan The Man,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rUvyWEhv,comment-id=000600020000,timestamp=2016-12-09T00:28:55.127+0000)
Try playing anything melee into a competent Janna. Then get back to me.
I've never seen an issue.
BlackHairedGirl3 votesIt looks like VS 
if she blocked all the dashes.
MayorIguana2 votesShe gives like a billion ad with a shield that is pretty damn op plus now redemption with her ult is quite annoying.
The Whamboozler2 votesAccording to the tooltip, it only gives a MILLION AD, sir. I'm going to half to ask you to stop exaggerating.
TotalJerk2 votes"A billion AD"
lolno. It's hardly a lot.She's cancer because:
When Mejai's is core on a champion (especially a fucking support) you know there's a problem.
every single one of her spells is a strong disengage
Passive makes all enemies faster than you when they are running away, Q knocks you up and threatens space, W allows her to slow you, E absorbs tons of damage and gives her target the edge in fights, and ult both throws you off your target, and undoes the damage you just did.
She's extremely fast
up to 17% movement speed almost passively, plus it scales with AP. She also has strong synergy with basically every movespeed granting support item, so she'll buy even more. 
is a favorite early buy. All of this means that she is usually just automatically faster than almost every other champion under most circumstances. Once she gets enough Mejais stacks, that's 10% more movespeed.
she almost never dies the combination of her movement speed and peeling/protection abilities is bad enough, but to top that off she almost never has to be in a remotely risky position to function.
Spice POWAH9 votesLevel 7 Janna main here. all of this is the main reason Janna's actually good. She's been nerfed a lot over the years, but she'll at worst be decent as long as she's the fastest person on her team, although I haven't seen Janna EVER buy a mejai's(outside of full AP). Instead she gets either
or
for movement or chase potential.
Also, Janna does have to put herself at risk to peel because her uncharged tornado and ult is short range, plus she doesn't channel her ult for the full duration unless there are no more threats. Using her w causes her to lose a huge chunk of her MS(since she builds 
)and Janna doesn't have a lot of room in her build for AP besides
.
l Helios l5 votes ? ? ?
Elaborate.
PiVoRx8 votes press R to turn off, broken damage with no items
usefull no matter how behind
unkillable
l Helios l16 votes
R? 
R? Point?
broken damage with no items
Is that defined as 
or 
as her only damage items? Most Vi's I see have both, maybe replace with 
. Regardless, that's not no items. A lot of Champions have pretty solid base damage.
You mean, the entire point of utility? What fun is it for the person who's behind if all they can do is take a few hits and die instantly?
She has 3 dashes in a short burst duration. CC and you win. Outdamage her and then fight again when her ult is on CD.
Surprised you didn't include people like 
or 
or 
or 
. I see way more QQ about these than Thresh.
PiVoRx1 votes
You really compare to ? Or maybe it has point since WW is just worse Vi..
Is that defined as
Not trash tier ones 
.
You mean, the entire point of utility? What fun is it for the person who's behind if all they can do is take a few hits and die instantly?
Again thats how trash tier champions actually work right now 
.
She has 3 dashes in a short burst duration. CC and you win. Outdamage her and then fight again when her ult is on CD.
Her ult like all other abilities is on insane low CD (6 sec E, holy shit), in what elo Ahri just goes to fight without her ult? Definetly not in Diamond.
Surprised you didn't include people like
Maybe cause they get shit on by or . And has fall so hard hes played more as a support than mid.
l Helios l5 votesYou really compare
Same principle. Point and click CC. You cited two things about her that's cancer: 1. Ult and 2. Damage. Ult is no different than almost any other CC in the game. Two examples right there for ya. If you don't like WW comparison, try the Malz one.
Not trash tier ones
You mean the guy with a 59% win rate in top lane and 58% in JG for people with 125+ games on him? The 9th highest win rate in JG is trash tier? While Eve, who is "cancer" is at 26th? That makes sense >.> Even so, Wukong has the highest damaging Ult in the game, so where's he if damage is the issue?
Again thats how trash tier champions actually work right now
You complain about me comparing WW to Vi, and then compare Yi to Thresh? Lmao, Yi is a champion who does literally nothing if he's behind, so you're asserting that if you lose early, you shouldn't be able to do anything later in the game, right? Weird, because that's how a lot of people feel the game is already...
Her ult like all other abilities is on insane low CD (6 sec E, holy shit), in what elo Ahri just goes to fight without her ult? Definetly not in Diamond.
6s? Try 12 seconds, 7.2 at 40% CDR. >.>
If you get her ult and your team starts baron then she has to or just not be there at all. So there's that.
Maybe cause they get shit on by
You pick two champions out of all of top lane. I don't see either of those very frequently, usually I'm the one playing Jayce.
Brand support is still brand. Group up, brand ult + passive does work. Still works pretty well.
doublelift fg4 votesthat's how i felt in my last game
selection ended and i was like "what cancer has the enemy team, and what do we have?"
thanks for expressing my feelings
RainbowIcee2 votesIt must be an unpopular opinion but I've fail to understand how people find jungle evelynn such a huge problem when she's extremely vulnerable. I've seen people come try and counter jungle me when I'm running nautilus jungle(whoop some ass) but they can't do the same for when they're fighting evelynn jungle? [zombie-brand-clap]
CarbonFighter3 votesThis is just downright bullshit... Champion mastery > Champion strength
Sanctimonious2 votesTo an extent. It doesn't matter how good you are at Teemo, A diamond Annie would tear the daylights out of him. In my elo where games last 25 mins, it's fairly important.
CarbonFighter2 votes"Your Elo" is the same as mine... Mr. Carbon is my main... anyhow with that being said...
Itemization... skill level... and match up knowledge play a much larger role than the champion strength and weaknesses.
You just used a red herring fallacy with the "annie vs teemo thing" too.... so I guess Ill address that as well...
A teemo flashes annie bear and has already built 
who wins the match up then? Your argument is very simplistic and overgeneralized
Sanctimonious1 votesThe point isn't the bad example, but that Meta characters are much more impactful than a lot of other picks. If you're such a proficient D3 Teemo that you're able to take matters forward against a pantheon of even skill, that's great. It still doesn't change the fact that he has a million ways to counter you, and you have a much more limited response.
This threads really about diversity, any example could follow and sort of work. We want to see more diversity than the same 5-6 champions per role.
CarbonFighter3 votesPlease explain to me "Off-Meta" one tricks that make their way into challenger and master then?
Please also explain why we see "respect" bans in LCS and professional level play...
What you are arguing is that if I don't play one of those champions you listed... I will lose... and it's flat out bullshit...
Because I didn't get to Diamond on 2 accounts playing a single champion on that list...
So I'll repeat again... Champion mastery > Champion strength
Sanctimonious1 votesI never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.
CarbonFighter4 votesif you dare to use anything out of this roster you are just burden to your team and drasticly lower your chances for winning.
Sanctimonious1 votesThat's correct for the majority of the population. Problem?
CarbonFighter2 votesBut it's very clearly not.... It's actually the complete opposite... I guarantee that I could one trick Urgot and get into high plat if not low diamond (The top 1%).
That's why one tricking is a very clear and beneficial strategy for those trying to climb
Kinnikuko3 votesYou people just like to complain I swear.
Hepolite2 votesyou forgot to include Cho'gath. I frequently get triples and quadras on Cho, and it's primarily ME that does the dmg. That is not a burden, and he's easy to carry with. Doesn't mean you always win, lord knows I bitch a lot...But yeah, those are the most commonly seen champs.
dunder kill5 votesCho is garbage can levels of bad lol. Anyone with half a brain just walks out of his damage
Hepolite2 votesyeah, that's why he rapes teams. if you think Cho is garbage, you're just garbage with Cho.
dunder kill9 votesNot trying to be a dick but what works in Bronze is literally meaningless.
Hepolite2 votesif you think he's only used in bronze, you're an idiot.
dunder kill3 votesHe's used other places, but he's bad lol
Hepolite2 votesno, just the people playing Cho are bad. a person that knows the champ, and plays him well, destroys.
dunder kill1 votesHow would you know?
Hepolite3 voteshow would you prove otherwise?
dunder kill1 votesThis is my smurf acc lol. Feel free to check my match history and see what happens when I play against Gold and Silver players
Hepolite2 voteswhat does that have anything to do with anyone playing Cho? The argument is moot...Just because you do well with unrelated Champs, doesn't make you an expert on Cho. I do well many champs as well. Doesn't make me an expert on the ones I'm not proficient with...
AmetDeCrypt3 votesI must remind you both that the conversation was not about what champions are strong per se but rather what champions are cancerous, and chodegath is most assuredly cancer to play against.
Sanctimonious5 votesLiterally rush 
(Tier 2 boots) and laugh as he proceeds to try to land anything.
Hepolite2 votesnever had an issue landing anything...you may miss once in a while, but if you can't land the majority of your stuff, you can't play the champ.
dunder kill5 votesYou're telling multiple Diamond players to hit their skillshots. Lol.
Hepolite1 votesdoesn't matter if a person is Diamond. Diamond doesn't make them master of all champs. Climb down off the pedestal. If you suck with Cho, and can't land your skills the majority of the time, you are terrible with Cho. Plain and simple.
dunder kill2 votesThats because, like I said, anyone with half a brain just walks out of his damage. Congrats on being able to land skillshots on bronze players
Spoofghoul1 votes. . .
there is a thing called predicting your enemies movements
they all have movement patterns
anyone ranked diamond should have figured that out or he/she is a boosted scrub
dunder kill3 votesAnd you would know that they can predict yours. The truth of the matter is that someone with tier 2 boots can straight up walk out of his Q even if its placed right on top of them.
Instead we have bronze players telling Diamond player they're bad. What a joke. Enjoy bronze.