Because, really, the only time I lose a game is because someone clicks on me (and my team) and instantly kills me.
So what counterplay do targeted abiliites and AA spammers have, outside of stay out of their range?
Along those same lines, how do I play against Fizz as someone squishy?
disregardable2 votesCC+Burst.
Niyumi1 votesOkay, so one of my go-to picks for mid lane is Syndra, who is all about burst and CC. However, if I don't kill them in one combo, I die. If I miss my E, I die.
Say I'm on someone who has no ranged CC, what do I do then? Like Azir.
disregardable1 votesYou stay out of range while you CC and burst.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesAzir outranges most champions who rely primarily on targetted abilities and autoattacks.
Poke them down from out of their range. Constantly.
Using your original example of Fizz, if you are positioned correctly he should have to use one or both of his mobility spells to get onto you. When he does, back off and then punish him when he tries to retreat.
Niyumi1 votesAzir outranges most champions who rely primarily on targetted abilities and autoattacks.
Not really. Most ADCs can auto Azir from his max soldier range. Some can't, but most can. He does out-range most targeted abilities though, but a lot of champions have movement these days, so they can instantly turn the tables on him.
... he should have to use one or both of his mobility spells to get onto you. When he does, back off and then punish him when he tries to retreat.
Thing is, those two mobility spells are a good 80% of his damage. So, when he uses those, you're dead. What can I do after he's jumped on me, short of using Zhonya's or something (and then I just die when it runs out anyway)?
EndlessSorcerer1 votesAzir can command his soldiers to attack targets within 800 units. Most ADCs don't breach 600 attack range.
For the Fizz example, I meant that he would have to use both abilities to reach you, wasting the damage from one of them and leaving him without an escape. If he jumps on you, you E away and then harass him while he retreats. If he doesn't jump on you, you just poke him down when he tries to farm with your superior range.
Niyumi1 votesI wasn't asking about Fizz vs. Azir in particular, that matchup isn't too hard since I just vastly outrange him... I was talking more general squishies, like Heimer, Syndra, Ahri, ADCs, etc -- champs who can't just fly away from him or R and get away. xD
Kouga1 votesThe general Rock-Paper-Scissors theory behind the balance used to go like this:
Targeted abilities > Mobility (since you couldn't dodge them) Mobility > Skill shots (since they made them much easier to dodge and juke) Skill Shots > Targeted abilities
Skill Shots are typically - and we're speaking in really broad terms here - more powerful point for point than their Targeted counterparts. Skill shots are usually "this is more difficult to land, but if you do, they hit hard." However there are a lot of factors to consider - is the ability one target or multi-target? Can it pass through minions or can you minion block it? If they pass through, does the damage fall off per target? (like Cait's Q, Ez R, etc).
However that was the rule of thumb - skill shots generally deal more damage than targeted abilities. Furthermore, skill shots provided some other benefits as well - for example, you can either facecheck brush before entering the Fog of War, or you can fire skillshots into the Fog when chasing a low health enemy, whereas you lose the ability to Target them at all if you lose vision of them. This also means that you can still hit stealthed enemies with skill shots (and AoE, obviously). I've gotten plenty of kills on Eve, Twitch, Vayne because I was able to land, say, an Ezreal Q on them as they stealth.
Sniper 01 votesBODY SLAMMIN!!!
But seriously, disruptive champs like Zac soak up damage and let the damage dealers come into the battle.
end game bosss1 votesBecause, really, the only time I lose a game is because someone clicks on me (and my team) and instantly kills me.
So what counterplay do targeted abiliites and AA spammers have, outside of stay out of their range?
Along those same lines, how I play against Fizz as someone squishy?
play kasseden or hiemer if you hate fizz,
