So remind me in what way Fizz is "fair"

Onotori·Mar 13, 2018·3 votes·435 views

Please. I have yet to see a Fizz that isn't bronze 5 actually lose or do badly. 0/5 Fizz suddenly becomes 18/6. But he's fair, right?

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FOR JUSTICEMar 13, 20181 votes

He is. Just people this low dont realize:

He will attempt an all in at level 3
No one ever baits out his pole hop
Hes extremly feast or famine
Anyone with CC or better waveclear will cuck him.
everyone builds a damage item or takes a damage rune over zhonyas/stopwatch

OnotoriMar 13, 20182 votes

Yeah? I killed him FIVE TIMES in the beginning of the game. He had no items, ulted me, and I die instantly. He then proceeded to one shot me and everyone else until he was massively fed, and it took a team effort to kill him.

So I call bullshit.

And I know how to bait his E. Doesn't do much when his W is all he needs to kill you.

FOR JUSTICEMar 13, 20181 votes

What champ were you playing though? And how many items did you have finished at the time?

Also killing him is NOT how you keep him down, you want to be absolutley certian that instead he dosent spread his cancer by shoving him under.

OnotoriMar 13, 20181 votes

Zoe (and I was 5/0 early game). And I did have him shoved under all early game. Then, once he got one kill, I couldn't even exist under tower since he'd dive me and take 15 shots without dying, plus his bullshit E.

My first death, in 2 seconds, was to him with nothing but a Dark Seal and a Corrupting Potion. So, feast or famine? Bullshit. He's overbearing as all hell, and needs serious nerfs.

FOR JUSTICEMar 13, 20181 votes

Then again though, you have to consider that zoe is squishy and super susceptible to being all-in'ed due to also being immobile

OnotoriMar 13, 20184 votes

Okay, but why should I lose to the 0/5 Fizz UNDER TOWER while I'm 5/0? Kind of seems a bit backwards.

TheWizardMMar 13, 20181 votes

Yes you should, especially if he hits you with ult. just like how youc an oneshot him when you hit your e. Both spells ar eperfectly reasonable to dodge, and almost guarantee a kill.

OnotoriMar 14, 20181 votes

Q>Ult>AA>E>W. What can I do about that?

TheWizardMMar 15, 20181 votes

He ulted you form that close range? You should easily survive that by flashing away, especially if he already used q.

IxozielMar 13, 20181 votes

Beating Fizz is very easy: wave clear. Make it so that if he goes to roam your team knows he is coming and you can punish him badly for it. He will fall behind in levels. Alternatively, Kassadin and Diana both beat him because they can go toe to toe with him (harder with Kassadin early but you outscale him and are far more useful late game).

Anivia is one of my favorite picks against him. Do not use Q unless he is already in the air on his troll pole. When he starts coming down you will know exactly where he lands. At 6 just stay away from him and use ult to zone.

If he killed you from full hp when he was 0/5 and you were 5/0 you clearly had no MR or hp items. If you don't build defenses against assassins and they can't kill then something is wrong. Being able to kill squishy targets is their job and Zoe is extremely squishy.

OnotoriMar 13, 20181 votes

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If he killed you from full hp when he was 0/5 and you were 5/0 you clearly had no MR or hp items. If you don't build defenses against assassins and they can't kill then something is wrong. Being able to kill squishy targets is their job and Zoe is extremely squishy.

If you're 0/5 with little to no farm and no items, why should you be able to TOWER DIVE and kill someone who is 5/0 (without dying to the tower + my damage, too)? And I did have a ROA with a few stacks on it, so it's not like I had 800 health.

archerno1Mar 13, 20181 votes

Any chance u can post game in question?

IRFodderMar 13, 20181 votes

He can be super frustrating I give you that, with his burst, and his troll pole into zonyas into troll pole makes him really hard to pin down. Like others have said a banhees and a zonyas would make him think twice about all inning and wont drop your damage much whilst providing some form of defencive countermeasures alowing you to extend or solidify your lead. It's a win win scenario really, at the expence of a few ap.

Think of it this way, s/he chose that champ to pop people, deny him that option or at the verry least make the fight more in your favour. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ahri BakaMar 13, 20181 votes

Not only Fizz , literally every other assassin did you try to play against Kata and she went 0/8 and bought gunblade and killed you without daggers ? same for Akali Zed needs item 3147 Talon needs nothing Diana needs lvl 6 Kayn Leblanc She has a delay but she has the mechanics to dodge your skillshots MasterYi Q AA item 3031

OnotoriMar 14, 20181 votes

Zed you can counterplay though, same with Kayn, Kat (unless she's fed and ignores her daggers) and LeBitch. Fizz just kind of stands on you and autos you, then Es on top of you and unless you have mobility you're dead.

Ahri BakaMar 14, 20181 votes

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Zed you can counterplay though, same with Kayn, Kat (unless she's fed and ignores her daggers) and LeBitch. Fizz just kind of stands on you and autos you, then Es on top of you and unless you have mobility you're dead.

Nah even Zed is uncounterable if you have no mobility , as for Fizz, all assassins aren't fair but I can agree Fizz is the worst

OnotoriMar 14, 20181 votes

Wait for his ult to finish (he appears behind you) then immediately dodge to the side and make him miss every single Q. Assuming he doesn't have a duskblade, his ult won't one shot you.