Lucian: +20 damage on Q, +10% damage at rank 1 passive Draven: -20 mana cost on W at rank 5, nearly +50 damage on his Q in mid/late game while losing no damage in early game
10/10 riot, i tested this and can approve that this balance is great
Big Lincoln14 voteswelcome to the league of draven
Jinzo Torrance13 votes
: "Let's complain about me for a bit"
Hayaishi26 votesDraven should have never been buffed. The only ADC that can't lose trade when played correctly, for the fact alone he should always be kept in check.
SH Azykan2 voteshis positioning gets super telegraphed though, so funnily enough he is also one of the easier to punish adc's (seriously play draven vs a nami + cait lane with any support other than morg and see how well you last even playing "perfect")
Pentium22 votesI'm curious, are you building only AD items on Draven, or how did you do the math?
Perhaps you didn't see they changed the scalong from total AD to bonus ad?
Provide me the formulas and the example build you used to calculate that, because otherwise all I see and smell is a big pile of shit.
doublelift fg2 votessure, currently you have nearly +30 damage at level one, i play draven with +15 ad runes and doran blade i effectively end up with 79 ad at lvl1
so Q gave you nearly 27 damage at lvl 1, now it gives around 38 damage at lvl 1 with the changes
in late game assuming you have 
you have 230 ad(with runes) which means before you would have 195 damage, now it gives nearly 290 ad
reminder: old Q=65/70/75/80/85% total ad new Q=30/35/40/45/50+65/75/85/95/1.05 bonus ad
Pentium26 votesSo assuming that 3 AD item (+boots and a zeal item so it is actually soemwhere close to be a legit lategame build) and your runepage, excluding masteries and level 18, so you have 105 base AD.
Total AD=105+15+70+70+75= 335 AD Bonus AD= 15+70+70+75= 230 AD
Old bonus DMG = 0.85 x 335 =285 New bonus DMG = 50+ 230 x 1.05= 291.5
That's a grand total of 6 physDMG difference.
For midgame, lets do it with 2 AD items, the results are 204 and 212, thats's 8 physDMG difference.
So would you please edit the initial post, or are you just there for fishing upvotes?
Cian Nightshade2 votesThank you for calling this person out on there bs math. I had to do something similar earlier today for a friend who read these patch notes. I just did a level one comparison using Dorrans blade though, to show how the early game would go.
It came out to about a 7.2 ad increase at level 1 if I'm remembering correctly. This early game bump is where I think most Dravens will benefit in my opinion.
Pentium21 votesYeah, basically you have a "powerspike" on level 1-3, then it evens out, and even in that period it is not a signficant change.
RexSaur2 votesDraven gets 7 ad basically at lvl 1, which is the biggest thing about the buff.
He might be obnoxious to lane against.
FCJAAAAGOOOO2 votesLucian's got more oomph early game
Draven's got more oomph late game if he builds a ton of AD
I don't see the problem here
xelaker1 votesmeanwhile sneaky twitch remains hidden op 
Elisheva1 votesIt's not hidden, we just don't care because vayne, cait, and now draven are more op.
RlP K0BE1 votesDraven's buff haven't even hit live servers yet...
[slayer-jinx-unamused]
Elisheva1 votesI didn't claim they hit live, did I?
RlP K0BE1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deiformis Ira,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rJnHo3RE,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-11T19:07:35.144+0000)
I didn't claim they hit live, did I?
"meanwhile sneaky twitch remains hidden op"
You: "It's not hidden, we just don't care because vayne, cait, and now draven are more op."
You are claiming Draven will be more op than twitch even though his buffs werent even on the server yet
Elisheva1 votesAssumptions are often incorrect. I didn't claim he "will" be more op, I claimed he "is" more op. A skilled draven can win just about any matchup, twitch included.
idontgiveabother1 votesBecause caitlyn, vayne, and twitch weren't already enough...
o this is going to be a fun meta
Sp33d Zer01 votesAt least AD might be able to do something in the meta.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesLucian was nerfed so much because he could do so much; let him be good for those who actually know how to play him, and weak for those trying to cheese with him.
MaeDoSan1 votesDraven buff is not even a buff it's a sad joke, after all that math factor in the damage reduction due to armour and see how much his dmg increased...He should get his bleed back to match his brother