if you are going to increase it based on ap at all maybe 2%... 3% 4% would be an absolutely ABSURD buff..
8% is absolutely ludicrous
it would bascially make him immune to damage for 2.5 seconds on a 4 second cooldown.
the next closest thing to this would be 
E which is 55% at max level
also last 2.5 seconds.. and has 4x the cooldown
gragas with 45% cdr would actaully be able to keep this up permanently....
MagicFlyingLlama6 votesHe also cant do anything while it is up.
Plus he never builds that much AP, at most it would be 10-15%.
Talon121 votesno but as soon as it finishes he gets a free 80%+ hp damage on his next aa
SwiftKitten881 votesHe also cant do anything while it is up.
if he cant do anythign during the channel which is 1.5 seconds... he still has 1 second afterwards...
also.. being able to instantly negate like 80-90% of the damage coming at you with 100% uptime.. is absurd.
MagicFlyingLlama3 votesif he cant do anythign during the channel which is 1.5 seconds... he still has 1 second afterwards...
also.. being able to instantly negate like 80-90% of the damage coming at you with 100% uptime.. is absurd.
Where the hell is Gragas going to get that much AP, not to mention he will be useless for most of the game as he builds it.
archerno16 votesHe would need 1200+ ap to get close to 100% reduction. Gragas rarely has ovee 200 ap
SwiftKitten881 votesHe would need 1200+ ap to get close to 100% reduction. Gragas rarely has ovee 200 ap
he would need 1025 ap for 100%.. (he gets 18% from the skill itself even with zero ap)
he also donest NEED 100%
70-80% reduction is absurd enough and that only needs 600 AP which is easily obtainable with 
.
makkii1 votesHe would need 1200+ ap to get close to 100% reduction. Gragas rarely has ovee 200 ap
gragas main here, with my AP build the mitigation would be either 42 or 50% but thats with an assasin style build with sub 2600 hp and low mitigation from armor mr, it would work similarly with a more well rounded tanky ap build, but that build would probably suffer from either lower ap or lower pen, or CDR making the damage sub par.
Dead flag blues1 votesHe would need 1200+ ap to get close to 100% reduction. Gragas rarely has ovee 200 ap
try full AP Gragas with Dark Harvest + Lich bane, enjoy assassin Gragas (m7 Gragas here)
Purgë4 votesXDD pepole saying that he needs 1000 ap in oreder for the ability to block 100% of the damage u know it's not like 60% on 4 sec cdr is that broken
Laceration2 votesGood players know AP gragas is better than tank gragas better players know that a burst mage shouldn't easily be able to attain 70+% damage reduction there's no way those changes go through anyway or they'll actually have to hotfix gragas like they did when they updated janna
nelogis1 votesdon't forget 7.21 Galio or 8.2 Nunu
They will propably buff it up so you get 100% damage reduction with 200 AP and ship it live.
Shiznyte1 votespretty sure this entire thread should be more focused on WW damage reduction than gragas's... WW is pretty busted atm and that damage reduction is part of the reason.
SwiftKitten881 votespretty sure this entire thread should be more focused on WW damage reduction than gragas's... WW is pretty busted atm and that damage reduction is part of the reason.
no the reason he is "busted" is he can completely afk his first clear and still be at full hp at solo drag at lvl 3.
he is too safe on his first clear.. most AD jungler are. i REALLY wish riot would go thru with the "pathfinders knife" and the changes 
and 
that were on pbe while pathfinders was there.
but that is for another thread.
my point is grag's gets 2% per level of his SKILL POINT
and with 8% per 100 ap that would mean 2% per 25 AP. meaning 25 ap would give the samge damage reduction as leveling up the skill.. which is ABSURD.
and yes his skill does other things as well but.. that is absurd..
Done251 votesI love the fact that they're doing this. In fact, they should buff his base damage reduction to 40% while they're at it.
SwiftKitten882 votesI love the fact that they're doing this. In fact, they should buff his base damage reduction to 40% while they're at it.
you do realize it has a 4 second cooldown right
thats like having 
on a 4 second cooldown...
woodvsmurph1 votes
(empowered w) 
(passive, ult) 
(wall walk, ult)
SooFr0sty1 votesFor those saying he doesn't build ap, these buffs are having him lean more towards building ap.
Wet Dryman1 votesI think that direction they're going is awesome but these numbers are too big but it is normal for PBE experimental changes. Extremes makes certain data aspects much more noticeable and they can learn what works, what doesn't and understand what they want to do by that better. I'm pretty sure that it won't go live immediately and for sure not in the current state as Riot August said that they will probably get changed.
Warwick E and Gragas W aren't so comparable besides the damage reduction thing because Gragas has to channel it, it lasts 2.5 second from which 1 second is channel (unless player knows how to animation cancel but even then some time is spent on channeling) and it doesn't have any massive AoE hard CC tied to it. And Warwick gets his damage reduction ON TOP of his very tanky builds while Gragas is expected to change his playstyle from tanky to more squishy ones and he is and will be very easy to blown up after W wears off (and judging by how the damage is so damn high and game is bursty as shit it shouldn't be a problem at all).
