We're heading in the right direction. If now Lee Sin is getting tweaked to an appropriate powerlevel we might finally start to see more varied jungle picks.
It's likely that this is not the end - at least Rammus and Ammumu will definitely need further improvements, so does Skarner.
Yet we're heading into a much healthier direction.
The Paulrus2 votesLee, J4, and Vi will all need power level tweakings, but I agree overall. I think the cinderhulk idea could lead to some pretty interesting jungle choices. You might even see a Braum jungle, which would be pretty neat.
Volt Cruelerz2 votesThe current dominant picks may need nerfs, but at least now other junglers will actually be reasonable.
PalPlays1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kowe The Ewok,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rE8kA2Rh,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-03T08:44:44.629+0000)
We're heading in the right direction. If now Lee Sin is getting tweaked to an appropriate powerlevel we might finally start to see more varied jungle picks.
It's likely that this is not the end - at least Rammus and Ammumu will definitely need further improvements, so does Skarner.
Yet we're heading into a much healthier direction.
Skarner needs this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VIrq3Q1Y-skarner-rework-final-version
Knight SoIaire 1 votesYet we're heading into a much healthier direction.
by what i see you are pushing it into the opposite direction
owerbuffing tanks is as bad as owernerfing them
so i would like irot to take their time
Partholonian2 votesI doubt it's even possible for tanks to be overbuffed with 
in their current state. The last time there was a serious tank meta was before the introduction of 
(and before I started playing, I've only heard about it).
Tanks are a long way from OP and there are plenty of tank counters to stop them from ever reaching that point.
Also, the actual jungle changes help all junglers, not just tanks. Gromp and Raptors deal less damage and Wolves are worth more gold. The size of the changes is not huge, but they help everyone, especially people who are struggling with clear speeds and sustain.
It's probably not a coincidence that they added reward to the camp that's the least convenient for laners to steal.
Slaaneshine1 votesIn how League is currently played these days, a tank is really somehow who fulfills the mass-CC role with the additive bonus of being rather hard to kill. They aren't immovable brick walls at all, but the seconds they can grant in a teamfight are game-changing. I used to complain about and, but without them meta-golems would be running all over place, and no one really wants to go back to that meta.
Kowe The Ewok2 votesWhile the term "hard to kill" has become a joke.
I don't know how else I could describe it when I got 370 armor, 125MR plus 4200 health and an AD-Fizz can kill me in 1.5 seconds.....
Knight SoIaire 1 votesnot owerbuffed with tankyness but owerbuffed with damage
in our current game tanks are fighters with less damage and more cc (usualy) they are not realy viable because they lack that early damage if riot gives them too much they will become a problem (cinderhulk)
COWmanLord1 votesI am just glad the chickens won't brutally murder me anymore.
ForgiveColour1 voteswas going to upvote, then i saw a lee sin complain when lee sin is at most tier 2
YossarianSensei1 votesIt's moving in a far less healthy direction, and I don't know why the community is so excited about getting Lee Sin gutted.
Does nobody remember how ghey Rammus and Skarner were in their moments of fame? How about when Xin was basically a free win?
Sure we're all butthurt about the 'mobility #LCS' meta now, but it just seems like the vast majority of players just don't recall how stupidly cancer some of these less flashy champions were when they were strong.
Nobody will rejoice the return of lvl 2 Xin Zhao top lane ghost gank free kill at 2:10 1st minion wave 0 counterplay instant lane lost forever.
Take off those rose-tinted nostalgia glasses. If Riot brings back the jungle of "the good old days" for like 12 hours, we'll see players begging and crying to get Lee Sin back.
B3ER1 votesLee's power level is decent, it's his versatility that needs to take a hit. I'm ok with him being strong in dueling and ganking as long as he pays for it with his clears. Make his passive give 20% AS (down from 40%) and double it against champions.
You might not think it much, but that's gonna be quite the difference in dealing with the Fundamental Jungle Bar (FJB courtesy of FoxDrop). Changes like this may have him sacrificing Stalker's for Ranger's.