Kelptomancy, This thing might be broken

only zhule·Nov 8, 2017·1 votes·1,731 views

So long story short i worry that the new keystone Kelptomancy might be a bit too strong, especially on champions like and , or basically any champion that tends to go ability into auto attack. I love playing support, and god knows the class could use some of the help that this keystone gives. I just don't want to see it get nerfed into the ground because certain champions can abuse it.... and certain RNG items from it are a bit insane. I just don't want to log in a week or two from now and find that the keystone either gives 100% garbage or has something like a 120 second cooldown. This is even more important since it is one of the only keystones that you basically can't use in the late game (since you need open item slots for it to go off)

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SuperCosmicHoboNov 8, 20172 votes

It is broken, free consumables literally every 4 seconds. You don't even have to back if you stack mana potions and biscuits. Also, you even have a chance to gain a 500 gold potion on ability+aa as well.

SuperCosmicHoboNov 8, 20171 votes

Late game, you are literally receiving health regen and mana regen.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 8, 20172 votes

Ehrm. No.

They're not free in the slightest. You're taking it as your keystone, you're spending mana, and you're putting yourself at risk. You might as well call Electrocute's damage free.
You do have to back, for items if nothing else. And you'll have to keep healthy enough to be able to keep proccing it.
The elixirs it gives are not worth 500g. Their stat gain from the buyable ones are reduced, and their durations are greatly reduced (45s max duration as opposed to 240s). And It's entirely random, so you're likely to get one you can't even use worth a crap.

SuperCosmicHoboNov 8, 20173 votes

So if you play Bard for example, your harass is so good you don't even have to worry about proc-ing it or not. Gangplank can make mad money out of this to the point that Electrocute won't even help them in laning when you start regen-ing so fast early game with potions. The value you get off of Kleptomancy is so high compared to Electrocute is a fair distance. Kleptomancy helps champs who can harass well to keep Harassing and add this with a ancient coin and you are making a lot of gold. Not as a support only, but Gangplank and TF will benefit so well off of this. When you are about a item ahead of everyone, it'll be more worth than Electrocute in my opinion and you have health regens running up when all your item slots are full because potions activate on full slots. Even if the duration is reduced to 45s, it still has very very high value in that time frame. That elixer is still worth around 80-100 gold that you don't have.

SuperCosmicHoboNov 8, 20171 votes

However, everything is about building in preferences and what's situational. If you know it's going to be a rough laning phase, you go safer instead of aggressive and etc. They are technically free because you aren't buying them lol.

only zhuleNov 8, 20171 votes

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So if you play Bard for example, your harass is so good you don't even have to worry about proc-ing it or not. Gangplank can make mad money out of this to the point that Electrocute won't even help them in laning when you start regen-ing so fast early game with potions. The value you get off of Kleptomancy is so high compared to Electrocute is a fair distance. Kleptomancy helps champs who can harass well to keep Harassing and add this with a ancient coin and you are making a lot of gold. Not as a support only, but Gangplank and TF will benefit so well off of this. When you are about a item ahead of everyone, it'll be more worth than Electrocute in my opinion and you have health regens running up when all your item slots are full because potions activate on full slots. Even if the duration is reduced to 45s, it still has very very high value in that time frame. That elixer is still worth around 80-100 gold that you don't have.

Ok let's say Gankplank or TF pick up this keystone. What do you forsee them getting for their other main spec runes? because i'm looking at the tree and not seeing much that they would want. There are some that they could use, but nothing really powerful offensively

SuperCosmicHoboNov 8, 20171 votes

Flashtrap or stopwatch is good. Magic boots are good, considering that you can lower the cd by doing something (I forgot). Approach Velocity is good for gp and barrels because it allows for quick catch up in situations. Cosmic insight is flat out good for TF, 10% cd overall, 5% summoners spell, 5% item cd (aka Zhonyas or protobelt). The whole thing is good for allow some niche stuff but it actually is quite okay. Ultimate hat as a secondary is very strong on TF or GP for Sorcery rune. Sorcery's + 20% on potions makes Dark seal a strong buy on TF, if you actually get fed, you move into a Mejai's. Kleptomancy makes sure you literally do not run out of potions.

OkumaNov 8, 20171 votes

It's disgustingly fun.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 8, 20171 votes

Actually, I believe that it'll just use the item automatically if it's consumable.

And it doesn't really offer enough power to warrant a huge nerf, anyways. Most of what it gives are gold, wards, and health/mana potions. Maybe a couple minor ones to shift numbers around (if the items are overtuned), or maybe a change to make it less random, but not much else.

Besides, if they wanted to nerf certain interactions (such as for Sona or Bard), they'd only need to add a 3-5s cooldown. Just enough to prevent them from proccing it quite so often.

only zhuleNov 8, 20171 votes

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Actually, I believe that it'll just use the item automatically if it's consumable.

And it doesn't really offer enough power to warrant a huge nerf, anyways. Most of what it gives are gold, wards, and health/mana potions. Maybe a couple minor ones to shift numbers around (if the items are overtuned), or maybe a change to make it less random, but not much else.

Besides, if they wanted to nerf certain interactions (such as for Sona or Bard), they'd only need to add a 3-5s cooldown. Just enough to prevent them from proccing it quite so often.

i should have been more clear, sorry about that. I worry about the fact that one of the items you can pilfer is a skill up orb. i don't know the odds of getting it (i assume low) but it's there

DuskDaUmbreonNov 8, 20171 votes

Oh, it is there. But keep in mind that the orb is based on current level, not the level you'd have otherwise.

And the odds for it are rather low, and you're missing out on a more directly impactful keystone. At most, if it becomes an issue, the orb'll just get removed from the options.

only zhuleNov 8, 20171 votes

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Oh, it is there. But keep in mind that the orb is based on current level, not the level you'd have otherwise.

And the odds for it are rather low, and you're missing out on a more directly impactful keystone. At most, if it becomes an issue, the orb'll just get removed from the options.

That is my hope. i LOVE this keystone, and really don't want to risk it being gutted because there is one item in the rotation that is kind of overly strong (even on a really low chance of getting)

DuskDaUmbreonNov 8, 20171 votes

Yeah. Riot won't gut a keystone because of one possible item it can give. They'll just remove the item.

Jinzo TorranceNov 8, 20171 votes

Ezreal is going to make it get nerfed, ridiculous abuse

Its All SkillzzNov 8, 20171 votes

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Ezreal is going to make it get nerfed, ridiculous abuse

can confirm i tried it on ezreal in a practice tool game the granted i was just AAin a dummy the Q does proc it by itself so you can just throw Qs at your enemy laner all day getting mana+health pots to heal off the damage also the elixers you get from it stack with the buyable ones from the shop. it also generated over 1500g in the time i sat there throwing Qs at the target dummy this combined with frost queen claim is gonna make your gold generation absolutely insane. also ulti hat reduces your ult CD to 55 seconds with 45% cdr whch you can get by having blue buff + frost queen and lichbane, ofc you can ignore the frost queen an go right for morellos but the FQC generates a fuck ton of gold with klepto.