@Meddler Please tell me you're gong to buff Eve to compensate for removing runeglaive

Koechophe··6 votes·544 views

(For context, runeglaive is being replaced by a jungler version of Luden's Echo, which does 80 + 10% of ap, with bonus damage and mana on monster hit)

Eve is already in a pretty terrible spot with the preseason; lack of sight wards actually hurts her, because her biggest strength is the abilty to ignore sight wards. Runeglaive is literally the only reason she's even viable; she can proc it off cd with her Q and is actually in melee range to do so. Runeglaive does 100% base AD + 30% of ap. On eve, that's a base of 113, and she can proc it every 1.5 seconds. The new item does 33 + 20% ap less damage, and will only be procced aproximitely every 10 seconds, decimating her damage.

Not only that, the new item doesn't have mana, and Eve's W was given a mana cost JUST BECAUSE runeglaive had mana and she needed to be "more mana hungry than she is".

I know you guys often don't buff people proactively because you want to wait until you can see how the new changes affect them, but Eve needs buffs anyways, and this is a direct, indisputable nerf to her in a big, big way. I agree with the line of reasoning behind changing out runeglaive (it screws over ability-based junglers, especially fiddlesticks, and has too many abuse cases) but please, for the love of all that's holy, buff eve when you do it.

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Dominick Destine4 votes

SIGH , let me start off by saying I am a Diamond player and I main Evelynn. I have across several years, thousands of Evelynn matches at plat/diamond. Ok that established; ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR GODDAMN MIND?

This change is an enormous buff to Evelynn, holy $#&%.... One of the worst parts of Runeglaive was the lack of bonus MS would could be supplemented with Luden's Echo or Boot enchant, but this will include the movement speed boost AND allow Evelynn to buy LICH BANE on top of that. To say that this is a massive buff would be a colossal understatement.

You are horribly wrong.

Koechophe2 votes

Eve is built runeglaive => ryulis => dead man's/randuins => banshees/abyssal => GA. She is too squishy to be played straight AP because she gets blown up immediately. She can't really build enough AP to take advantage of lichbane, and while the MS is nice, it's somewhat negated by the fact that she is losing tons of damage on her combo. Not to mention, the mana does hurt her a lot; she has a low base mana pool and her passive is greatly increased by runeglaive. Unless you play squishy assassin eve (which isn't viable) this is a huge nerf.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Eve is built runeglaive => ryulis => dead man's/randuins => banshees/abyssal => GA. She is too squishy to be played straight AP because she gets blown up immediately.

Absolute nonsense.

Sometimes it's better to build hybrid sure, but her straight AP build is fine , if you are getting blown up instantly, your positioning was trash.

Koechophe1 votes

That's where you're wrong. If you, as eve, are able to play assassin and build straight AP, it means your opponent's positioning is trash. Eve gets blown up instantly because she's entirely melee range and her only escape tool is also her only gapcloser, meaning she can't get out if her target survives, in addition to the fact that her burst is reliant on a move that needs to be spammed (her Q) and therefore takes time to ramp up.

Not to mention, being a jungler, she has a lower income than other roles, as well as a level disadvantage, so she can't build assassin effectively because she has less effective gold to spend. Bruisers and tanks get away with it because their goal is to do damage and have utility, but assassins NEED to be able to blow people up; a gold disadvantage is ridiculously crippling to them.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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That's where you're wrong. If you, as eve, are able to play assassin and build straight AP, it means your opponent's positioning is trash.

If the opponent is outmaneuvering you when you're playing Evelynn, you are a terrible Evelynn player.

You can see them. They cannot see you (Most of the time).

Slamurai Jack1 votes

For once, we're actually in agreement. The extra 10% MS so early in the game should help Eve immensely and building Lich Bane on top of that should make her damage and mobility extremely high. I'm not sure if you can really afford to build that much damage on Eve, but I don't play her, so I can't really say. Overall, the new AP jungle item seems far superior to the old one on Eve as far as I can tell.

Koechophe1 votes

You can't afford that much damage. And Lich Bane is primarily an AP ratio, which, mixed with the fact that the new item only has 60 AP and lichbane only has 80, means the damage is going to be barely better than runeglaive's.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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You can't afford that much damage. And Lich Bane is primarily an AP ratio, which, mixed with the fact that the new item only has 60 AP and lichbane only has 80, means the damage is going to be barely better than runeglaive's.

You'd be better off going with trinity force as evelynn than Lichbane, simply because her ability to be an ap assassin is garbage compared to other true assassins such as Talon.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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You'd be better off going with trinity force as evelynn than Lichbane, simply because her ability to be an ap assassin is garbage compared to other true assassins such as Talon.

Are you serious? I could compile a video of 20 minutes , comprised of me murdering people in 1.5 seconds with Evelynn's burst. To say she is a great assassin mid and late game would be an understatement as well.

However, Trinity Force is fine for people who want a more conservative build.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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Are you serious? I could compile a video of 20 minutes , comprised of me murdering people in 1.5 seconds with Evelynn's burst. To say she is a great assassin mid and late game would be an understatement as well.

However, Trinity Force is fine for people who want a more conservative build.

Go for it? To be honest, I have a hard time taking you seriously considering you have a habit of trash talking people who disagree with you. THere are far better assassins than Evelynn such as Zed, Talon, and Rengar.

They have greater early burst potential, and faster burst. Sure you can go AP eve, but bruiser eve generally tends to be more useful.

BluePolarizer1 votes

the reason you go AP eve instead of bruiser eve is because even though she has no gapcloser she is invisible most of the time and when you see her it's already too late if she's bursty.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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the reason you go AP eve instead of bruiser eve is because even though she has no gapcloser she is invisible most of the time and when you see her it's already too late if she's bursty.

Not really, you have about a .5 seconds to react to her presence. Her burst is also significantly slower than Talon or Rengar who just appear and melt you. Bruiser eve can survive after she kills a squishy. AP eve is just too squishy, and lacks the tools she used to rely on such as DFG.

BluePolarizer1 votes

All you are doing right now is repeating what challenger streamers are saying in the context of a 5v5 at the LCS level. none of us are there. AP eve works just as good, if not better, than bruiser eve in solo queue due to the uncoordinated nature. Also, you can ward against Talon or Rengar much easier than you can against Eve. Since you can't fight any of them, the limiting factor is getting yourself out of a situation where you, as a squishy, are against a burst assassin. Eve closes that possibility way better than Talon and slightly better than Rengar.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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All you are doing right now is repeating what challenger streamers are saying in the context of a 5v5 at the LCS level.

Actually, I was unaware of the statement challenger streamers were making, but I appreciate the fact that you assume my stance is not the result of my interpretation of data/build options, and merely that of a sheep.

AP eve works just as good, if not better, than bruiser eve in solo queue due to the uncoordinated nature. Also, you can ward against Talon or Rengar much easier than you can against Eve. Since you can't fight any of them, the limiting factor is getting yourself out of a situation where you, as a squishy, are against a burst assassin. Eve closes that possibility way better than Talon and slightly better than Rengar.

I don't really agree with that argument, because unlike Evelynn, both Talon and Rengar have instant gap closers and Rengar himself can bypass wards. On top of this, her kit itself refuses to allow her to build in a manner that is acceptable for an assassin. Her ult is a form of engage, forcing her to be the secondary initiator if not the initiator of a fight, and Assassins do not desire such a thing.

dangopee1 votes

If item 1402 never came out in the first place and something like this came out they never would have had to nerf Evelynn so much in the first place. If you look at the history of the item starting with the Ezreal abuse, it is probably one of the most poorly designed and least thought out items ever released.

Koechophe1 votes

Removing it means eve's nerfs should also be removed, then.

dangopee1 votes

I agree but Riot has a really bad history with nerfing champions before figuring out that it's really certain items then nerfing those items while not reverting the champion nerfs, leaving those champions in the gutter. See Sejuani and item 1401 for example.

Troy2426211 votes

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