When top lane Yasuo finishes Phantom Dancer

Danny DeVito·Nov 5, 2016·52 votes·3,497 views

You can't duel him anymore, but at least you can escape from him.

And then he finishes frozen mallet.... Sigh Riot please.

96 Comments

EvewynnNov 5, 201617 votes

Wait, you can escape from him? Must not be laning phase anymore.

BlakiepugNov 5, 20165 votes

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Wait, you can escape from him? Must not be laning phase anymore.

^This.

xxxDogmanxxxNov 5, 201615 votes

XinZhao Oh, I can't duel him anymore?

GULAG 4 UNov 5, 201611 votes

"I mean seriously guys, it's a great idea to attempt to duel a skirmisher with a dueling item as a tank!!!"

Master Yi/Aatrox/Yasuo/Fiora/Tryndamere destroys tank player's ass

"WTF!!!"

The DeckownerNov 5, 20161 votes

what is an aatrox kappa?

GULAG 4 UNov 5, 20163 votes

Demon corki when he's off the plane

EnloctNov 5, 20166 votes

The difference is that that's the **only ** thing Yi, Aatrox, Fiora, Trynd can do.

TyroneWatermelonNov 5, 20161 votes

{quoted}

"I mean seriously guys, it's a great idea to attempt to duel a skirmisher with a dueling item as a tank!!!"

Master Yi/Aatrox/Yasuo/Fiora/Tryndamere destroys tank player's ass

"WTF!!!"

Great. Let's play farming simulator until 2 top turrets are gone.

Pierce The VealNov 6, 20164 votes

{quoted}

Great. Let's play farming simulator until 2 top turrets are gone.

Honestly that gameplay is sort of really fun.

Just not for non toplane mains. People who are trying to invade into the top lane don't find it fun. Aka people like you.

Yet why those same people find ADC botlane more interesting is beyond me...

statelesskillerNov 6, 20164 votes

susan main seal of approval right here

Pierce The VealNov 6, 20161 votes

{quoted}

susan main seal of approval right here

Regretfully susan makes me have to stop farming and actually try to stop him, but nonetheless, I love the top lane island.

statelesskillerNov 6, 20161 votes

i once had this interesting game where i was a garen and the enemy was a yasuo. we agreed to one of those LEGENDARY "we just farm it out no killing" ideas. his plan was to go full damage yasuo while i built fucking garen. you know black cleaver and then full tank after that. well my graves came to gank i didnt help him fight yasuo. and yasuo just ran away graves straight up told me "can you play the fucking game?" to which i replied "in a farm off i outscale yasuo" he apparently thought i was joking and called me bad and stupid. and then i told yasuo "sorry man but my jungler wants me to play serious was fun though!" and after that i solo killed yasuo 3 times in a row . . . and i told graves "BUT I TOTALLY DONT OUTSCALE YASUO IN A FARM OFF RIGHT?"

people underestimate the power of farming

Pierce The VealNov 6, 20161 votes

Or you could have build full crit and taunted him for not scaling with crit as well as you do ;P

I had a farm off as old poppy vs nasus once. I regret it sooooo much.

statelesskillerNov 7, 20161 votes

but then he builds tanksuo and takes less damage then me and deals more at the same time. FEELSBADMAN

GULAG 4 UNov 5, 201612 votes

since when was dueling a skirmisher a good idea?

Imperial JapanNov 5, 20161 votes

{quoted}

since when was dueling a skirmisher a good idea?

Jax, Fiora, Yi, etc?

GULAG 4 UNov 5, 20162 votes

The champions you've mentioned are skirmishers and, because of their ability to output massive dps, are also duelists. You shouldn't ever try to duel them unless you are years ahead.

Imperial JapanNov 5, 20163 votes

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The champions you've mentioned are skirmishers and, because of their ability to output massive dps, are also duelists. You shouldn't ever try to duel them unless you are years ahead.

Misread what you said nvm

Tychusfindlay919Nov 5, 201611 votes

I dint think the issue is yasuo.

The issue is PD and fervor.

Pierce The VealNov 6, 20161 votes

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I dint think the issue is yasuo.

The issue is PD and fervor.

Answer to fervor is simple is simple:

All skills can only generate fervor stacks on a cooldown (of like 4/3/2 seconds), with the exception of melee single target abilities. (Yasuo's isn't single target). Bam, it's still usable on most, only really good on the champs who really need it.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 6, 20161 votes

Fervor is already being changed to a good spot.

Now what needs reworking is frozen mallet, only 2 real champs are building it and both use it for broken cases.

PD, I still don't see it as a major issue compared to the other parts tbh.

Pierce The VealNov 6, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Fervor is already being changed to a good spot.

Now what needs reworking is frozen mallet, only 2 real champs are building it and both use it for broken cases.

PD, I still don't see it as a major issue compared to the other parts tbh.

Make it cheaper to build.

Make the passive not proc on ranged autos.

Bam. Incentives to build it for everyone (ranged might still want it because it's cheaper and gives HP+AD).

EcchiOtakuTMNov 6, 20161 votes

That doesn't fix it at al, yasuo will still abuse it.

Pierce The VealNov 6, 20161 votes

{quoted}

That doesn't fix it at al, yasuo will still abuse it.

Make the passive also not proc on ability casts.

Bam.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 6, 20161 votes

But yasuo would still proc it xD

Pierce The VealNov 7, 20162 votes

{quoted}

But yasuo would still proc it xD

Doesn't fucking matter. Can we freaking let alternate builds be just a little bit?

Or no, fine, how about this, since everybodt wants every champion to only build one fucking way, let's just make it so that the second a champion is released they are hard coded to automatically build in one way. That way we can focus more on "skill" and less on "burden of knowledge" and shit like "variety."

EcchiOtakuTMNov 7, 20161 votes

There isn't an issue of alternate builds, but if an item is only usable by a low number of champs for an abuse it becomes an issue.

Frozen Mallet is only used by 2 champs(3 for mini-gun kog) all of which have been abuse cases. Sure other champs could build it but they don't get the same amount of value as those 2 champs do.

I just hope riot doesn't make something sejuani'd again and realize frozen mallet needs a rework.

Pierce The VealNov 7, 20161 votes

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There isn't an issue of alternate builds, but if an item is only usable by a low number of champs for an abuse it becomes an issue.

Frozen Mallet is only used by 2 champs(3 for mini-gun kog) all of which have been abuse cases. Sure other champs could build it but they don't get the same amount of value as those 2 champs do.

I just hope riot doesn't make something sejuani'd again and realize frozen mallet needs a rework.

I mean I really don't understand what you mean by abuse case.

Is Jax using triforce because he synergizes with it so well an abuse case?

How about nashor's Kayle?

Really people have been calling anything and everything that is different from what is expected and works as abuse.

Bruiser builds phantom dancer? Abuse.

Adc builds tank item? Abuse (this one was annoying though).

Mage builds deadman's plate for movement speed? ABUSE!

Assassin does anything at all? Abuse.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 8, 20161 votes

Explanation:

Frozen mallet is only reliably built by 2 champs, in both cases simply to completely dominant anyone in a duel.

Unlike other ranged, gnar can reliably turn that HP into more power and has a powerful shred(+MS increase) to stick to any target frozen simply increases this stickiness/kiting to bizarre levels, all while still having a dash left over.

Now yasuo, he is one of the few who can continue applying it at range due to his 3rd Q applying on-hits while being ranged, has mobility to constantly stick to units, and reliably apply frozen mallet to multiple units as if it were a rylia.

Only 2 champs can make use of it and when they do it's to break it.

There isn't any melee who can apply frozen mallet to an entire group of enemies reliably at once and at range for full value.

You could say kayle could build frozen mallet, but she synergizes too well with rylai to sacrifice AP for a minor 30 AD nor does frozen's slow apply full amount.

I THINK shyvana can apply it to multiple units while in dragon form with Q? But still she doesn't have the mobility nor can apply it at range

And there isn't any ranged who can turn the HP into free damage to make up for the lackluster 30 AD, while having innate stickiness+kiting and good escape tool if things get hairy.

As it currently is, it's only going to be bought on 2 champs which is the main issue. It needs a rework, no one else can get value out of the item properly.

Jax using triforce is fine(Although you should have said irelia since she's far more well known for it) because multiple champs use it at the same synergy level he can.

Nashor's kayle is fine, because all of the AA mage roster get great use out of it similar to her.

Tbh, I consider abuse when there's less than 3 champs who can use an item to insane levels. Albeit sadly riot constantly seeked to make things sejuani's. (In cases where an item is just simply breaking a lot of champs tho I consider the item broken)

Bruisers/Skirmishers who use phantom dancer I'm fine with, they build it they're stronger at dueling which is what it was designed for. There is no abuse case for it, only thing that can be said is if someone feel it's a little too strong on everyone it's intended for. However it is fact that you can only apply the debuff to 1 target so someone poking you out is still fairly possible.

Well depends on the tank item, GA was intended for them(albeit sadly players think they MUST have 5 damage items instead of 4 damage items and a situational), but if you're talking about assassin items it was pretty obvious since the assassin items offered AS and LS something that adcs synergize with more. And ezreal singlehandedly abused the most items in the game xD(I still find this hilarious)

Uh, deadman on mages....Idk they wouldn't be using it better than bruisers/tanks would...

Meh there's rarely any assassin argument that's believable tbh. I'm still ashamed everyone was crying about QSS change and zed, but it didn't even do crap for zed aside from when he goes on the adc and a MR item wasn't actually going to solve that even f it removed the ulti debuff it isn't going to prevent it from gap closing....

All-in-All

Pierce The VealNov 8, 20161 votes

Anyway, I think that we should be updating frozen mallet. That's all.

Weasel KenseiNov 7, 20161 votes

{quoted}

There isn't an issue of alternate builds, but if an item is only usable by a low number of champs for an abuse it becomes an issue.

Frozen Mallet is only used by 2 champs(3 for mini-gun kog) all of which have been abuse cases. Sure other champs could build it but they don't get the same amount of value as those 2 champs do.

I just hope riot doesn't make something sejuani'd again and realize frozen mallet needs a rework.

I build item 3022 on tank Lulu its pretty effective.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 8, 20161 votes

Tank lulu doesn't have a spare dash nor turns the HP into free damage to make up for the 30 AD. It's nowhere near as strong as it is for gnar/yasuo, it's not a bad item idea at all just needs a rework.

Din64Nov 5, 20165 votes

Lol both of the things you just mentioned are issues with items, not the champion.

OglafNov 5, 20165 votes

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Lol both of the things you just mentioned are issues with items, not the champion.

Well, were it not for Yasou not getting free double crit for no reason....

GULAG 4 UNov 5, 20163 votes

Eh yes there is a reason. Melee carries need damage steroids in order to be viable, they are melee, therefore they must deal more damage than ranged ones (and Yasuo's steroid is the double crit). Otherwise they'd be useless, most of them offer next to no utility other than raw damage.

Hinagiku33Nov 5, 20162 votes

Melee carries are pretty useless even with the steroids. It's the defensive utilities that make them playable.

Fiora : W parry Yasuo : W "block all projectiles for my entire team for almost 4 seconds" wall Tryndamere : Ult MasterYi : W damage reduction/heal + Q dodging

And even then, champs like Yi are useless in high level play. Tryndamere is only good for unstoppable split pushing. Fiora seems to be building mostly bruiser and relying on her Vital procs for damage.

Yasuo is the one that can actually carry at high level play with mostly damage builds, and even he's been building partly tank and relying on his utility.

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20161 votes

And even then, champs like Yi are useless in high level play.

The fuck you said? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPGtwh6VAAA8uvy.png

GULAG 4 UNov 5, 20164 votes

Bitch is stuck in low plat now, speak again.

Yi is a shit now, like it or not, cowsep plays like a boosted animal now and silencee is boosted by his lulu premade

Vistha KaiNov 5, 20162 votes

I know first hand how it feels to main a champion whose most important ability is completely unusable for a year.

Granted I never watched Cowsep's stream.

LeetriNov 5, 20164 votes

I was told by the boards that melee top laners are useless and not viable, only ranged top champions work. :P

Hinagiku33Nov 5, 20161 votes

Well Yasuo is the anti-ranged melee champion, so he's kind of the exception to that.

LeetriNov 5, 20165 votes

Then if ranged top champions are so super OP and in literally ever game (as the boards imply) why don't they play Yasuo and have a guaranteed won lane every game?

0DESTROYERZ0Nov 5, 20169 votes

once you play against annie as yasuo, you wont want to play yasuo again for a while LOL

Spicy RiceNov 5, 20161 votes

Once you play against Kayle you mean

GULAG 4 UNov 6, 20162 votes

What? I've shit on kayles with Yasuo before? (or was it the other way???)

Spicy RiceNov 6, 20162 votes

If it wasn't the other way, i'd be disappointed.

Afaik, the only kayle's that don't destroy yasuo are either against gods, or they don't know how to ult/build properly

GULAG 4 UNov 6, 20163 votes

Idk, I played kayle vs Yasuo, gave up Fb (was my first time) And then proceeded to shit on yasuo, I'm pretty sure I've shit on Kayles as yasuo before, but Idk. i haven't played yasuo for nearly like what now, 3 months?