In theory a 100% health Kled would be impossible to kill in a single rotation

Lady Hammerlock·Aug 12, 2016·31 votes·3,703 views

So comparing with champions all without items,and the champion that will perform said rotation of damaging spells will be an 1200 AP ,assuming Kled is level 18 and so is Veigar,theoretically because when Kled dismounts he becomes temporarily invincible,it is impossible to one shot a Kled,it also doesn't help that he has an absurd base health but what evs

EDIT:Im not saying he is broken,just kind of funny to think about this randomly while i was showering

35 Comments

Zero Skill TankAug 12, 201616 votes

That's the whole point of this Skaarl mechanic. It's his defense mechanism. He is a skirmisher, this means he will build a lot of damage. So he needs a way to stay alive a bit longer. Just like Master Yi gets Meditate and Alpha Strike.

SaiannaAug 13, 20161 votes

yeah, but one has it as a PASSIVE while other has ability Meditate and Alpha Strike which is broken ability since beta.

It's quite funny how new champions get everything on silver platter, while others are in the mud.

RalanrAug 13, 20161 votes

Because Riot is better at implementing ideas now. More or less.

Or it just seems that way because it was a successful experiment.

statelesskillerAug 13, 20161 votes

i mean when he does use it heloses access to e entire ability. and his q changes to a . . . arguably more damaging ability. he cant run away like at all. its a passive that shits on him if you dont win the fight quickly

Votable JesterAug 12, 20169 votes

1 rotation =/= 1-shot.

With infi AP, Veigar could Q to make Kled dismout and then R to kill him. That's easily within the bounds of a "rotation."

BloodyTomponAug 12, 20168 votes

1 rotation =/= 1-shot.

I was thinking the same thing.

Lady HammerlockAug 12, 20165 votes

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1 rotation =/= 1-shot.

With infi AP, Veigar could Q to make Kled dismout and then R to kill him. That's easily within the bounds of a "rotation."

But in an actual common game scenario with all these different variables,could he achieve said status?

Votable JesterAug 12, 20167 votes

In an actual common game scenario, can you normally 1-shot fighters?

Lady HammerlockAug 12, 20162 votes

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In an actual common game scenario, can you normally 1-shot fighters?

Well I mean considering full AD Kled,is like better then bruiser Kled....

No you wouldn't normally be able to one shot fighters,buts normally because they build like 2 tank items right?Back on the PBE I've seen Kled with a much more lifesteal oriented build have more survivability then bruiser Kled

MLDzXnRRRAug 12, 20162 votes

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Well I mean considering full AD Kled,is like better then bruiser Kled....

No you wouldn't normally be able to one shot fighters,buts normally because they build like 2 tank items right?Back on the PBE I've seen Kled with a much more lifesteal oriented build have more survivability then bruiser Kled

Lifesteal is useless vs hit & run team comps...

Shrek LuigiAug 13, 20161 votes

I've generally been sending him top but I've found an early lifesteal item is still good for recovering health by clearing waves, regardless of the comp one is up against. Death's Dance in particular is super good on him because the reverse-bleed-tick synergies really well with a melee feller who has to absorb punishment in order to deal it out, and who is pretty much gridlocked to building defensive items on the side.

Kled only has a base hp5 modifier of 6 at lv1 and is hugely AA focused so not taking advantage of that easy sustain can be a real crux.

R FLASH XDAug 13, 20161 votes

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But in an actual common game scenario with all these different variables,could he achieve said status?

I've had 90 minute games in the past so with really low chances, yes he could.

ElikainAug 12, 20164 votes

He has a high base HP because Kled and Skarl have both their own separate HP and Kled's mechanic is all about managing mounted vs dismounted state. Dismounted Kled has just 2 abilities available.

SaiannaAug 13, 20162 votes

Dismounted Kled has just 2 abilities available.

And a passive increasing his attack range and movement speed when moving towards enemy. And if managed well he can have his mount every few minion kills giving him huge ass free shield.

7 FiresAug 13, 20161 votes

Why the downvotes the guy is right, while it IS weaker overall, the additional ms and attack range make is easier to last-hit and the dismounted Q push back means that Kled can combo it to hit a champion with his Vicious Tendencies and land a lot of the Q bullets (each gives Kled a good portion of Courage) while ALSO putting him at a safe distance often ending in Kled mounting Skarl in about two rotations of this.

ElikainAug 13, 20161 votes

That's something that can be adjusted if needed be, including their base HP. They are two own separate units to the game so it stands to reason that together they have high base HP but when you drop them bellow, you get just Kled that is unable to run away but can run you down.

That's the whole point of their thematic. Skaarl is good at running away while Kled never runs away.

RevaliAug 12, 20162 votes

most of his base hp is skaarl though, so once he dismounts he's incredibly mediocre, I think his damage needs tuned down, but his defensive stats seem fine to me

ZT XperimentorAug 12, 20162 votes

Reminds me of gnar before they nerfed him.

AckelopeAug 13, 20162 votes

This makes me think of an interesting question.. If Kled has just been dismounted, do things like Veigar's ult, which scale with missing HP, to dmg to him based on Skaarl's missing HP as well? Basically, does the lack of Skaarl actually count as missing health or not.

kweeenAug 13, 20161 votes

i don't think so, there's two separate numbers on Kled's health bar, his and Skaarl's. They both act independently.

AckelopeAug 14, 20161 votes

That was my assumption as well. I'll have to test it when I get the IP for Kled or he's on free rotation.

kweeenAug 14, 20161 votes

Well i mean there are two physically separate numbers, so the health reads like 740/740 (meaning kled) 740/740 (meaning skaarl) [these are just example numbers]. the two numbers do not affect each other at all.

PennsAug 12, 20161 votes

Fizz Ult + Q or E, wait a sec until Skaarl is gone, E or Q to kill him. Worked for me so far..

Old Man TeetoAug 12, 20161 votes

Another neat thing about Kled,

GA is actually REALLY weak on him compared to other bruiser/fighters. Since Skaarl gets all the bonus health and DOESN'T return with GA, the item is quite weak.

warpenguin555Aug 12, 20161 votes

i think you can if its an actual 1 shot and not a "1 shot" from using more than 1 ability.

If nasus stacks up enough Q's or veigar gets enough ap, you probably could delete both keld and skaarl at once

SeenanAug 12, 20161 votes

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i think you can if its an actual q shot and not a "1 shot" from using more than 1 ability.

If nasus stacks up enough Q's or veigar gets enough ap, you probably could delete both keld and skaarl at once

Yeah..But a full hour later of stacking and 6 items (Seraph's as boots, Void Staff, Luden's, Raba ofc, etc), or a Nasus crit maybe. (When Nasus Q could crit properly..hue).

ArakadiaAug 12, 20161 votes

You can't. Once Skaarls health runs out Kled is invunerable for a short time no matter what.

warpenguin555Aug 12, 20161 votes

wait, so not even if you do enough damage in 1 hit to drop both kled and skaarls health to 0? damn

DarkRitualAug 12, 20161 votes

Correct, it would finish off Skaarl, and leave Kled at whatever his health is unfazed.

SeenanAug 12, 20161 votes

If his dismounting indeed provides invulnerability, while also letting him use abilities (and even if he can't use abilities), I'd like that to at least turn into non-targettable status like Fizz E, or just no i-frames at all. He can potentially dodge spells by luck of the dismount mid-battle cause of invuln...and waiting around in a teamfight is...a funny idea.

SiG DxDAug 12, 20161 votes

instead this fucking rat can kill you in a rotation his 300 basic , 200 bear trap then a random fucking 1400 W passive fucks u for no reason

CasterGilgameshAug 12, 20161 votes

to be fair you are technically hitting his lizard skarl she is mortal though so you are just scaring her

CobaltTheMadMageAug 13, 20161 votes

I once toyed with the idea of maybe having a portion of True Damage also affect Kled himself even while he's mounted to Skaarl, but that might have just been me as a Vel'Koz main annoyed that his was the one face I could not melt.

DragonSheaAug 13, 20161 votes

Kill the Lizard, then Kill the Yordle.

Shrek LuigiAug 13, 20161 votes

Not every single champion is supposed to be killed in a single rotation. The whole point of tanking is to soak up the upfront burst damage in a fight, survive, and go for the backline/peel for the squishies. Just about every meta tank can survive a Veig rotation if they itemize properly.