I just realised that Theres a part of the community that hates Karma

Lady Hammerlock·Dec 18, 2015·3 votes·455 views

This seems to be my structure for most of my posts "i just realised"

but anyways i took her to the mid lane and i got first blood and then the enemy proceeded to say "Karma has an overloaded kit with to much dmg"

but i mean she's probably the second or third most balanced mage in league(the most balanced being ) due to her basically being OK at everything she isn't bad or great at anything she has single target cc poke engage protection(all mediocre at best) then again i was surprised to see someone saying that karma's broken

17 Comments

SoundChaosDebugDec 18, 20151 votes

I wish karma had a real traditional skin, the splash art is exactly what she used to be but in game it is a whole different model.

Who else gets bait and switched like that for skin splash art vs in game design?

IonianDec 18, 20151 votes

Karma may be balanced but she's extremely toxic to play against. RQ does ridiculous damage with a hitbox even larger than Morgana's Q. Feels completely unfair.

Lady HammerlockDec 18, 20151 votes

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Karma may be balanced but she's extremely toxic to play against. RQ does ridiculous damage with a hitbox even larger than Morgana's Q. Feels completely unfair.

i mean it can hit multiple targets but Morgana has a snare and a stun

and its so easy to dodge,from experience of playing karma mid calling her R+Q toxic is wrong since its basically her only burst tool her W relies on them staying close

IT IS QUITE LITERALLY HER ONLY DMG TOOL and basically any champion with boots can run outside of the second burst even if they are at the centre

how is it unfair exactly? there are way more unfair things in league for the support/mid champions

Sona your only hope is zhonyas and spell shield to block her spammable Q(o lets not forget her adc can also provide an extra punch)

his W which is about the size of karmas Q does basically the same amount of dmg only he doesn't need his ult to do so(burned target+ W is way more disgusting)

Annie i don't need to explain this one

Leona she is both tank perma-cc your ass with burst in the laning phase i mean you basically can't move for a full 2 seconds while her adc just procs her passive

Veigar his W(again about the size of karma Q) can 1 shot you and his E is a ring of death

Lux she has a better snare and frustrating levels of poke dmg (more so then karma)

there are many more the only real unfair thing about karma are her VERY low mana costs for the dmg she can do rank 5 Q has a 70 mana cost W(i can't remember) rank 5 E 80 mana cost R free

IonianDec 18, 20151 votes

Of course I may be biased because Karma and Morgana's early games are pretty good while Ahri's is trash tier. But even just the initial damage of Karma's RQ chunks super hard and she has it starting at level 1. Plus, using R before Q makes it nearly impossible to miss it.

kaltenashesDec 18, 20151 votes

the second cast of R+Q is SUPER HARD TO HIT, only if the enemy is unaware of the second cast you can hit him... just walking away without boots you can get away easily no matter where you are in the hitzone

Maximum MordeDec 18, 20151 votes

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Karma may be balanced but she's extremely toxic to play against. RQ does ridiculous damage with a hitbox even larger than Morgana's Q. Feels completely unfair.

RQ does good damage because it's two spells.... Look at it through that lens and you realize it does equal or less damage than other mids, usually less. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a mage who's combo does less damage than Karmas.

She's a minor bully 1-5 then kinda tapers off into a utility/medium damage role. A viable pick, but not top tier by any means.

ModAttysu The PoroDec 18, 20151 votes

I play Karma mid just to fuck with people, it's beautiful xD

In other news, imo the most balanced mage is Orianna , seriously name a time when Orianna was over/underpowered at any point lasting more than a week maybe. They need more champs like her.

SSShutTheDuckUpDec 18, 20151 votes

Since the preseason she has been kinda underwhelming, It is not just her, it is all the utility mages. Which is sad, because Orianna is one of the best designed champions in League

ModAttysu The PoroDec 18, 20151 votes

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Since the preseason she has been kinda underwhelming, It is not just her, it is all the utility mages. Which is sad, because is one of the best designed champions in League

I suppose, but I can still find a really good spot for Orianna in team comps and such other than damage so it isn't too bad. Some champs are really not as lucky though...

Lady HammerlockDec 18, 20151 votes

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I play Karma mid just to fuck with people, it's beautiful xD

In other news, imo the most balanced mage is , seriously name a time when Orianna was over/underpowered at any point lasting more than a week maybe. They need more champs like her.

IKR the shield is such a powerful trading tool and late game R+Q just tears them to bits

Lady HammerlockDec 18, 20151 votes

{quoted}

I play Karma mid just to fuck with people, it's beautiful xD

In other news, imo the most balanced mage is , seriously name a time when Orianna was over/underpowered at any point lasting more than a week maybe. They need more champs like her.

what if Velkoz and Orianna share the same spot they both have exploitable weaknesses and strengths and are balanced 1 flaw of ori is her slow ball 1 flaw of vel is his ult makes him open to like 5 global lets and every assassin in league

many more things...

AbyssphereDec 18, 20151 votes

Karma might be balanced but it's not because she can do everything moderately well. Being mediocre at everything is one step away from being strong at everything and League has had huge problems in the past with champions who could do everything well.

Karma's lack of a niche makes her difficult to balance, not easier. She's permanently weak because she excels at nothing beyond being a bot lane bully for the first five minutes.

IonianDec 18, 20151 votes

Doing everything moderately well doesn't make a champion extremely hard to balance. Ahri has moderate burst, sustained damage, cooldowns, poke, mobility and cc, yet has been sitting at around a 52% winrate for a really long time.

AbyssphereDec 18, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qjlANr5V,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-12-18T16:57:13.184+0000)

Doing everything moderately well doesn't make a champion extremely hard to balance. has moderate burst, sustained damage, cooldowns, poke, mobility and cc, yet has been sitting at around a 52% winrate for a really long time.

I didn't say it's impossible for a generalist to be balanced, I just said it's generally more difficult to balance them if they can do everything and it's not something that should be advocated as great design. Riot always talk about nerfing people so that their weaknesses are more prominent and buffing them so that their strengths are more useful because being mediocre at everything often leads to champions being good in every situation (Lee Sin) or bad in every situation (Karma). Ahri's largely considered fine but that's in spite of her ability to do so many things rather than because of it.

It's obviously possible for every type of champion to be balanced but generalists have caused balance issues more than specialists in the past. There's a reason Elise and Lee Sin were so difficult to nerf out of the meta, there's a reason Thresh is never not a good pick and there's a reason they had to gut Azir completely to stop him being a constant pick in competitive. If you look at all the champions that have been hard to balance, most of them have a distinct lack of stuff they're bad at.

Big LincolnDec 18, 20151 votes

yeah i hate karma

super boring to play, super frustrating to play against

kaltenashesDec 18, 20151 votes

karma's a hell of a carrier (even as a 'support'), by poking before the team fight breaks out, she can hurt a lot of enemies with R+Q, or she can close the gap/shield entire team with R+E

karma's w is good for picking up enemies (PLUS that enemy yasuo who everyone hates, he thinks that windwall can block her w such a noob)

i played her a lot most of support and i normally buy ap items like item 3092 item 3165 item 3116 item 3151