Rito, can Fiora NOT have an AS slow please?!?

Clint Orris·Sep 26, 2017·8 votes·841 views

Like are you not suppose to be able to 1v1 this bitch?!! I was playing Xin against her top just for the shits and giggles. Now i'm not sure if Fiora is a huge counter to xin or anything but i outplayed her in most of the fights but she still came out on top just because of that retarded AS slow.

I did not fight her when her passive was on me. Or I fought her if her passive was behind me I baited her parry Did a few flash ult plays

Granted, i honestly forgot to buy bramble vest(because i forgot that was an item lmao)

30 Comments

JAGL AquaSep 26, 20176 votes

Like are you not suppose to be able to 1v1 this bitch?!

Lmao, it's not like she's built like the ultimate dualist or anything.

AgeOfTheMageSep 26, 20172 votes

^^, she excels at 1v1ing!

JAGL AquaSep 26, 20171 votes

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^^, she excels at 1v1ing!

This guy gets it [sg-ahri-2]

AgeOfTheMageSep 26, 20171 votes

yeah, I've mained fiora for awhile now, when getting ganked, i usually flee, unless I'm super fed(and it depends on the enemy top/jg) people get this insane misconception that fiora can 1v5 when fed, it's annoying. trying to 1v5 can hurt my head, so many vitals in so many locations, so many forms of cc and ults I had to decide to parry, it's insane, i'd have to plan ahead and predict the future to do that :I

sketchy1Sep 26, 20173 votes

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Like are you not suppose to be able to 1v1 this bitch?!! I was playing Xin against her top just for the shits and giggles. Now i'm not sure if Fiora is a huge counter to xin or anything but i outplayed her in most of the fights but she still came out on top just because of that retarded AS slow.

I did not fight her when her passive was on me. Or I fought her if her passive was behind me I baited her parry Did a few flash ult plays

Granted, i honestly forgot to buy bramble vest(because i forgot that was an item lmao)

I thought she was supposed to hand your ass to you in a 1v1?

ChuShoeSep 26, 20171 votes

Not early. This is supposed to be a scaling champ after all.

That's like saying yi is naturally supposed to beat you in a 1v5

AgeOfTheMageSep 26, 20172 votes

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Granted, i honestly forgot to buy bramble vest(because i forgot that was an item lmao)

Yeah, bramble vest or executioners can shut fio down pretty hard, I wouldn't mind the attack speed slow being removed, I don't see the point of it.

Asayake 5150glowSep 26, 20171 votes

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Yeah, bramble vest or executioners can shut fio down pretty hard, I wouldn't mind the attack speed slow being removed, I don't see the point of it.

'Yeah, Fiora already gets shat on, why not just gut her even more'

^that is literally what you said. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but that was your argument.

AgeOfTheMageSep 26, 20172 votes

I find no point in using it, I main fiora, why would I want her gutted? :I

Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20171 votes

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I find no point in using it, I main fiora, why would I want her gutted? :I

Then you have either never fought an AS duelist who isn't Yi, an ADC, or any other bruiser who isn't completely ability based.

AgeOfTheMageSep 27, 20172 votes

yeah, never laned against an as duelist, that i can recall.

KoKobotoSep 26, 20171 votes

Yeah the attack speed slow is so damn annoying. Like it's such a simple ability but it puts a ton of pressure on the enemy. Not only do you have to be concious of stunning yourself but you also gotta dodge this relatively fast skill shot that A/S slows for a bunch. Feels so shitty to play against.

Weiner the PoohSep 26, 20171 votes

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Yeah the attack speed slow is so damn annoying. Like it's such a simple ability but it puts a ton of pressure on the enemy. Not only do you have to be concious of stunning yourself but you also gotta dodge this relatively fast skill shot that A/S slows for a bunch. Feels so shitty to play against.

Relatively fast, it shows you exactly where it's gonna go, it fires after a .75 delay, and puts a box exactly where it's going, it's like Cait Q, except it shows you it does exactly where it's going, there's plenty of time to avoid it.

ChuShoeSep 26, 20171 votes

at the same time, it puts anyone who's not teemo or pantheon (or anyone who doesn't have a flash, dash, or blink) at a disadvantage.

KoKobotoSep 26, 20172 votes

If you have mobility you can avoid it albeit it's still difficult. If you don't have mobility than you it's impossible to dodge on reaction. You just gotta hope that the Fiora misses. Also first part of E is a 30% slow making it even easier to land. Especially considering one of Fiora's combos is Auto-E-Q... she can easily and often does switch out for W.

Fiora is a funny champion because she seems like she has a lot of counter play but she doesn't.

Asayake 5150glowSep 26, 20171 votes

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If you have mobility you can avoid it albeit it's still difficult. If you don't have mobility than you it's impossible to dodge on reaction. You just gotta hope that the Fiora misses. Also first part of E is a 30% slow making it even easier to land. Especially considering one of Fiora's combos is Auto-E-Q... she can easily and often does switch out for W.

Fiora is a funny champion because she seems like she has a lot of counter play but she doesn't.

...Fiora literally burns her one shot at not getting stunlocked for a free trade and you complain? Anyone with CC will just Q+W+E and back off.

KoKobotoSep 26, 20171 votes

Every single champion in the game has to deal with being stunlocked for trades... The attack speed slow is excess power she doesn't need to have.

Back off against Fiora who gains MS when she ults and has a dash that gives her movement speed after. You WILL always hit the vital unless the enemy has immense mobility (Yasuo, Riven) or is against a wall.

Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20171 votes

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Every single champion in the game has to deal with being stunlocked for trades... The attack speed slow is excess power she doesn't need to have.

Back off against Fiora who gains MS when she ults and has a dash that gives her movement speed after. You WILL always hit the vital unless the enemy has immense mobility (Yasuo, Riven) or is against a wall.

No it's not, though. Ulting doesn't even give her MS anymore, and wallhugging is also legit. However, it's not hard to avoid the vital or simply outdistance her through CC or a better dash (her's is shitty range).

You say every champion has to deal with being stunlocked. However, Fiora can't stun you. So... you have a huge advantage.

KoKobotoSep 27, 20171 votes

She gains movement speed now with her ultimate. They reverted like all the nerfs.

If having a stun gave champions a huge advantage than half the roster would be trash because they don't have stuns. It's easy to protect vitals early but impossible if you try to fight in extended trades or later on when the movement speed from her passives become stronger.

The great mobility Fiora has helps her avoid stuns btw.

Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20171 votes

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She gains movement speed now with her ultimate. They reverted like all the nerfs.

If having a stun gave champions a huge advantage than half the roster would be trash because they don't have stuns. It's easy to protect vitals early but impossible if you try to fight in extended trades or later on when the movement speed from her passives become stronger.

The great mobility Fiora has helps her avoid stuns btw.

They actually didn't, they just rebuffed the MS I'm pretty sure.

Also you're not supposed to fight in extended trades, that's what your CC is for. And it is easy to protect them early. Everyone knows Fiora excels in extended trades - that's why she takes Fervor, for fucks sake.

Fiora's dash is a 350 range dash which, combined with her ~150 radius hitbox, isn't nearly enough to juke anything except Sion's Q or Galio's E.

KoKobotoSep 27, 20171 votes

350 range is basically the amount of units it takes for a champion to move in one second. If one second of extra distance isn't enough to dodge most skill shots than you're probably getting hit by more Fiora Ws than I am.

Glad we agree that those are her strengths which means landing that W is all the more easier because she can stay in range during extended trades. Enemy tries to defend a vital? Makes aiming that ability all the more easier and any retaliation. The only stun that is difficult to block is Renekton's btw. Riven is a bit of a gamble but if you don't use your stun for Q3 than Fiora will dodge Q3 so it's more predictable. Aside form this there's not a lot of instant CC that Fiora can't avoid easily.

CC and walk away isn't possible against Fiora because she has all that movement speed, dashes, and the ability to block hard CC and turn it against you. The attack speed slow is extra power that's completely unnecessary.

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Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20171 votes

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350 range is basically the amount of units it takes for a champion to move in one second. If one second of extra distance isn't enough to dodge most skill shots than you're probably getting hit by more Fiora Ws than I am.

Glad we agree that those are her strengths which means landing that W is all the more easier because she can stay in range during extended trades. Enemy tries to defend a vital? Makes aiming that ability all the more easier and any retaliation. The only stun that is difficult to block is Renekton's btw. Riven is a bit of a gamble but if you don't use your stun for Q3 than Fiora will dodge Q3 so it's more predictable. Aside form this there's not a lot of instant CC that Fiora can't avoid easily.

CC and walk away isn't possible against Fiora because she has all that movement speed, dashes, and the ability to block hard CC and turn it against you. The attack speed slow is extra power that's completely unnecessary.

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Dude, most CC can't actually be dodged.

Let's take Maokai for an example: W-targeted Q-nearly instantaneous with wide AoE E-needs to be outran R-hahah nope not from 1 million range away.

Not convinced?

Nautilus: Passive: targeted Q-basically guaranteed at melee range due to small delay and wide hitbox E-...dodge? R-targeted

Let's go to some bruisers

Jayce: E-targeted

Irelia: E-targeted

The fact is most CC cannot be dodged at pointblank range without the CC'er drastically mis-aiming. You think you can dodge Shen E, except it maybe takes his Taunt .1 seconds to hit you from melee range, while you're reaction time is only fucking .2 seconds. Not to mention it's got a hitbox, you've got a hitbox, so in order to fully dodge it (Fiora's Q isn't a blink after all), you'd probably need to use it .3 seconds in advance to actually not get hit.

Fiora's best way at dealing with melee range CC is through Riposte.

KoKobotoSep 27, 20171 votes

Mao'Kai barely stuns Nautilus barely stuns Jayce barely stuns Irelia has a conditional stun

Mao'Kai roots you? You're still auto attacking him and the root only lasts 1 second. Also easy to riposte.

Nautilus root lasts for 0.5s / 0.75s / 1s at level 11 and is easy to riposte. If you've ever played Nautilus into Fiora you basically cannot auto attack or you gotta keep canceling your auto attacks, keep canceling them and Fiora is getting free damage on you.

Jayce only has a knock back and in that time he can't do anything unless he cancels into a Q which is very difficult. Fiora can dash right back onto him after.

Irelia has a stun which is difficult to avoid. Thing is Irelia also happens to live off of A/S. So Fiora doesn't even need to avoid the stun in order to pull off a good trade, get the A/S slow and Irelia won't be able to do much even while you're stunned.

Shen taunts you and you're still auto attacking him.

Oh and great point on bringing up reaction times. That 0.75s delay is actually 0.55s because you can't react that fast. In other words good luck dodging it with mobility and don't even try to dodge it if you don't have mobility.

Fiora doesn't need the attack speed slow. It's excess power. She can redirect crowd control, avoid debuffs, avoid burst damage, put on a movement speed slow AND has a severe attack speed slow (50%) with just one point? Fiora doesn't need the attack speed slow, it's excess power.

Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20171 votes

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Mao'Kai barely stuns

Used to barely knockup, now it's a knockup + stun. Also combo'd with W for root as well.

Nautilus barely stuns

...Naut's hook is amazing CC.

Jayce barely stuns

Knocks you back, giving him free dissengage.

Irelia has a conditional stun

You just Q+auto+E'd onto her, I think she has lower health than you considering she has no yet touched you.

Mao'Kai roots you? You're still auto attacking him and the root only lasts 1 second. Also easy to riposte.

Nope, because he invulns during the travel which cancels your auto and also means you have to start a new one, and then he knocks you back. Also this is assuming you wasted W during the engage because that is the combo you stated.

Nautilus root lasts for 0.5s / 0.75s / 1s at level 11 and is easy to riposte. If you've ever played Nautilus into Fiora you basically cannot auto attack or you gotta keep canceling your auto attacks, keep canceling them and Fiora is getting free damage on you.

See above. Also I'm also talking about his Q.

Jayce only has a knock back and in that time he can't do anything unless he cancels into a Q which is very difficult. Fiora can dash right back onto him after.

You just engaged with Q, it's now on the 6-7 second CD. Jayce counters with a ranged Q+R+melee Q+auto+E, heavily outdamages you, and knocks you back.

Irelia has a stun which is difficult to avoid. Thing is Irelia also happens to live off of A/S. So Fiora doesn't even need to avoid the stun in order to pull off a good trade, get the A/S slow and Irelia won't be able to do much even while you're stunned.

If Irelia can't avoid that AS slow she got outplayed, Irelia is a fast champion. Triforce gives a lot of MS. Also Irelia's (W) Auto+Q+auto does more damage than Fiora's Q+auto+E once she gets Sheen.

Shen taunts you and you're still auto attacking him.

But Shen does way more damage than you since now you can't hit autos and can't maneuver.

Oh and great point on bringing up reaction times. That 0.75s delay is actually 0.55s because you can't react that fast. In other words good luck dodging it with mobility and don't even try to dodge it if you don't have mobility.

.55s is way more than what Fiora gets, and half a second is plenty.

Fiora doesn't need the attack speed slow. It's excess power. She can redirect crowd control, avoid debuffs, avoid burst damage, put on a movement speed slow AND has a severe attack speed slow (50%) with just one point? Fiora doesn't need the attack speed slow, it's excess power.

It's not though. If you try dueling a Shyvana as the Grand Duelist without this AS slow, you'll be crapped on. Period.

KoKobotoSep 28, 20171 votes

You're the one making the assumption that I'm thinking of the ability used offensively. I'm just saying that it doesn't need the stupid attack speed slow considering all the power it gives. No Fiora would use the ability offensively unless the enemy has no burst or crowd control.

Mao'Kai barely stuns. In fact it doesn't even have a stun, it's just the knock back which is less than a second. Mao'Kai invulnerability is only until while he is moving. When he reaches his target he's not invulnerable anymore and than Fiora can auto attack. Finally, after Mao'Kai knocks Fiora back she will be right back on him because of her low CD dash and movement speed. Mao'Kai using W on Fiora is suicide. https://image.prntscr.com/image/7A77-WCFSeSim5IS14M36g.png

Nautilus hook is amazing CC. However that doesn't change the fact that it barely stuns. Hell it pulls Fiora closer meaning she doesn't even need to dash to start killing you. Nautilus using Q on Fiora is suicide. https://image.prntscr.com/image/-5B14BBSR1C1FhXbt4q2iQ.png

Early game Jayce beats Fiora. Unless Jayce gets a significant lead before level 6 than Fiora wins. Doesn't matter if he can knock back 500 units, Fiora will catch up with her ultimate movement speed and 5s dash without considering CDR. As the game goes even further Jayce won't be able to win unless Fiora misplays. Also in lane if Jayce tries to combo his abilities like that they get blocked by riposte. Fiora doesn't even need to try blocking the knock back at this point because she'll be negating so much burst because Jayce maxes Q first. Fiora than proceeds to run you down regardless of the knock back because of the movement speed she gets. Now with your abilities on CD you're left with auto attacks that suck because you got hit by riposte. Jayce E is 500 range, Fiora Q is ~400, the movement speed or slow she got off E does the rest.

I also forgot to mention that the likely hood of any champion being completely melee range of each other even in top lane is extremely dim unless we're talking about two tanks. Fighters ALWAYS considering the trade potential of their enemy laner and aren't just going to be sitting next to each other in lane.

So those Shen taunts are actually very easy to parry 100% of the time, unless of course Fiora is in melee range but at that point why are you even using Shen taunt? Fiora also outscales Shen obviously. Shen maxes W last so for most of the game it'll be on +15s CD. Shen has a good chance early but gets outscaled like Jayce.

Irelia has a good chance early but gets outscaled like Jayce for the same reasons. Also she has the same weaknesses, you can block Q which is a ton of her damage early. Anytime you hit her with a riposte regardless if you block the stun she can't trade back because of the AS slow.

If you're going back to the combo I mentioned she has a movement speed slow on E. Meaning the only option you got is to dash because you got slowed. Also she can bait you into opening up a vital. Fiora W doesn't need a fucking attack speed slow. Gotta protect your vitals, watch for her E reset, watch for her dashes, and time out her riposte for your CC / burst, does she also REALLY need to pressure your attack speed?

0.55s people can react to that. Doesn't mean shit when your champion can't move out of the way fast enough or if you're against a wall because you're forced to or if you can't click away soon enough (most people). You're completely reliant on Fiora missing the ability.

Illaoi, Darius, Yorick, Tryndamere, Warwick, Trundle, Master Yi, Syndra, Malzahar, etc can also beat Fiora. She doesn't need the attack speed slow she already has so much shit.

%MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE
MS buffs
MS slows
Low CD Dash
Invulnerability
Free Crit

Fiora is just a facade of counter play. She has none.

Fiora loses when she has to start team fighting.

Asayake 5150glowSep 28, 20171 votes

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You're the one making the assumption that I'm thinking of the ability used offensively. I'm just saying that it doesn't need the stupid attack speed slow considering all the power it gives. No Fiora would use the ability offensively unless the enemy has no burst or crowd control.

...THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT THAT:

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If you have mobility you can avoid it albeit it's still difficult. If you don't have mobility than you it's impossible to dodge on reaction. You just gotta hope that the Fiora misses. Also first part of E is a 30% slow making it even easier to land. **Especially considering one of Fiora's combos is Auto-E-Q... she can easily and often does switch out for W. **

Fiora is a funny champion because she seems like she has a lot of counter play but she doesn't.

Mao'Kai barely stuns. In fact it doesn't even have a stun, it's just the knock back which is less than a second. Mao'Kai invulnerability is only until while he is moving. When he reaches his target he's not invulnerable anymore and than Fiora can auto attack. Finally, after Mao'Kai knocks Fiora back she will be right back on him because of her low CD dash and movement speed. Mao'Kai using W on Fiora is suicide. https://image.prntscr.com/image/7A77-WCFSeSim5IS14M36g.png

No, it's also a stun now. I trust my experience.

Also Fiora's Q has a 6-7 second CD early game, lategame there's no fucking way Mao would win a duel anyway, why not complain about Jax at that point?

W is also a snare and stops her from Q'ing.

Nautilus hook is amazing CC. However that doesn't change the fact that it barely stuns. Hell it pulls Fiora closer meaning she doesn't even need to dash to start killing you. Nautilus using Q on Fiora is suicide. https://image.prntscr.com/image/-5B14BBSR1C1FhXbt4q2iQ.png

Funny, because it's super disruptive as hell and does a shit ton of damage. Also I'm talking about using it melee range.

Early game Jayce beats Fiora. Unless Jayce gets a significant lead before level 6 than Fiora wins. Doesn't matter if he can knock back 500 units, Fiora will catch up with her ultimate movement speed and 5s dash without considering CDR. As the game goes even further Jayce won't be able to win unless Fiora misplays. Also in lane if Jayce tries to combo his abilities like that they get blocked by riposte. Fiora doesn't even need to try blocking the knock back at this point because she'll be negating so much burst because Jayce maxes Q first. Fiora than proceeds to run you down regardless of the knock back because of the movement speed she gets. Now with your abilities on CD you're left with auto attacks that suck because you got hit by riposte. Jayce E is 500 range, Fiora Q is ~400, the movement speed or slow she got off E does the rest.

Jayce > Everyone if 1) he builds correctly and 2) he lands a full combo. Jayce isn't hard countered and doesn't hard counter any of the major skirmishers, it's all about how good he is at maintaining forms and cd's.

I also forgot to mention that the likely hood of any champion being completely melee range of each other even in top lane is extremely dim unless we're talking about two tanks. Fighters ALWAYS considering the trade potential of their enemy laner and aren't just going to be sitting next to each other in lane.

Except Fiora needs to be in completely melee range, so she's at a heavy disadvantage.

So those Shen taunts are actually very easy to parry 100% of the time, unless of course Fiora is in melee range but at that point why are you even using Shen taunt? Fiora also outscales Shen obviously. Shen maxes W last so for most of the game it'll be on +15s CD. Shen has a good chance early but gets outscaled like Jayce.

See above. Also Shen maxes Q for the shit tons of damage.

Irelia has a good chance early but gets outscaled like Jayce for the same reasons. Also she has the same weaknesses, you can block Q which is a ton of her damage early. Anytime you hit her with a riposte regardless if you block the stun she can't trade back because of the AS slow.

See above part about W.

If you're going back to the combo I mentioned she has a movement speed slow on E. Meaning the only option you got is to dash because you got slowed. Also she can bait you into opening up a vital. Fiora W doesn't need a fucking attack speed slow.

Yes. Yes it does.

Illaoi, Darius, Yorick, Tryndamere, Warwick, Trundle, Master Yi, Syndra, Malzahar, etc can also beat Fiora. She doesn't need the attack speed slow she already has so much shit.

Exactly. They can beat Fiora if she doesn't land W, and she can't do a thing about it. That's why she needs it.

%MAX HEALTH TRUE DAMAGE

MS buffs

MS slows

Low CD Dash

Invulnerability

Free Crit

She doesn't need the attack speed slow to be successful. It's excess power.

You can make literally everything sound OP that way...

AoE hard CC on basic ability Relatively short CD long range dash Constant %maxhealth heals Big burst damage AoE ranged slows AS boosts AD boosts High bases for easy bursting Lot of AoE burst with previously mentioned high bases Extra range And of course: Free GA

KoKobotoSep 28, 20171 votes

My entire argument isn't on Fiora using W offensively. My entire argument is on Fiora W having an attack speed slow is excess power. Fiora shouldn't win every 1v1 just because, that's stupid. The points I brought up aren't to call her OP. They're to call that she already has enough tools to deal with enough things. Fiora doesn't need an attack speed slow to be successful, it's excess power that feels bullshit to play against.

Also Fiora's Q has a 6-7 second CD early game, lategame there's no fucking way Mao would win a duel anyway, why not complain about Jax at that point?

The arguments around CC were that:

Also you're not supposed to fight in extended trades, that's what your CC is for. And it is easy to protect them early. Everyone knows Fiora excels in extended trades - that's why she takes Fervor, for fucks sake.

CC and run away. Well you can't do that because dashes and movement speed. She than proceeds to win the extended trade.

No, it's also a stun now. I trust my experience.

Lmfao. The fucking tool tip says nothing of a stun, after the short knock back the player regains control of their character immediately. You can't just say things are things because you want to. 'Hurr Durr Jarvan R is a stun because I can't move out of it".

I don't see how Nautilus having good CC is "funny". I agree that it's strong CC, it's just not a good enough stun, if you read the tool-tip it BRIEFLY stuns. Also there's no reason to use it melee range unless you're trying to CC lock someone in a teamfight (which is not what I'm talking about). Finally it's better to use it to RUN AWAY from Fiora. Overall, you never use Nautilus Q melee range because it's his only gap closer and his only mobility. It's powerful CC because of the pull and gap close, it's a shit stun.

I also forgot to mention that the likely hood of any champion being completely melee range of each other even in top lane is extremely dim unless we're talking about two tanks. Fighters ALWAYS considering the trade potential of their enemy laner and aren't just going to be sitting next to each other in lane.

The only time Fiora or ANY fighter for that matter will be close to the opponent during lane phase is if they are confident they can fight the enemy. It's called pressure. Of course Fiora will be in melee range if she wants to fight, if she wants to fight that means she will win unless the Fiora is dumb and doesn't understand her weak points.

Shen is strong but he doesn't do "shit-tons damage". It's max health damage and Fiora isn't building a lot of max health early. As the game goes on she will just life steal off vitals.

Yeah her combo does more but who cares. Fiora blocks the burst just like Jayce. Fiora either blocks Q damage or she blocks the stun. If she blocks Q she applies the attack speed slow and Irelia can't retaliate. If Fiora blocks the stun she stuns Irelia and Irelia can't retaliate. It's a skill match up that early that Irelia can win, much like Jayce. Fiora WILL out scale though because %max health true damage.

Fiora doesn't need to beat every fucking champion because that's just stupid.

Are you implying that Illaoi has no counter play? That a hyper mobile champion with invulnerability and the ability to avoid CC cannot do anything against Illaoi...?

Illaoi: dodge tentacles, run away if she ults Darius: dodge every single Q, block ultimate Tryndamere: Hyper carry champion, he's supposed to deal out shit tons of damage, fight with your team, poke him early with short trades Yorick: Fight when he has no graves, kill R first if possible or just run away Warwick: Fiora just out damages him, try to block E and R but it doesn't even matter cause Fiora just has more damage Trundle: Stat-check champion, best chance is to fight him with team or block a Q or ultimate (kinda impossible) Master Yi: Hyper carry, same strat as tryndamere or trundle Syndra: block ultimate or stun, kill her Malzahar: time his abilities than engage, buy QSS

As you can see most of these champions have counter play. Fiora does not. Fiora doesn't need a fucking attack speed slow to win.

Don't even fucking try to use my own logic against me because you can't. Here's why Aatrox isn't as stupid as Fiora although he has a terrible design.

Doesn't do damage. He doesn't do any fucking damage so stop lying.
Revive is conditional. He needs hell bent in order to get his revive.
No stick potential. He's not sticky at all.
AoE hard CC that's even more telegraphed than Fiora W and has a EXTREMELY tiny hit-box. It also has a long CD, it's not short, 11s, 6.6s with 40% CDR, Aatrox is an on-hit champion, he can't itemize CDR effectively. Radius for his Q is 225 units, for reference Syndra W has 225 radius...
Constant max health heals only on 3rd attack, he can't even use his Blood Price because he has to always use his heal because he just sucks ass.
AoE range slow that moves slow AF and only slows for 2s and has an 8s CD which sucks ass.
Lmfao, his ultimate allows him to have 375 range, big fucking whoop. Xayah W or Tristana W are immensely better as basic abilities.

I'm able to list all of Fiora's strengths because she's strong and doesn't have any fucking weaknesses aside from being melee and having no innate defensive steroids. She's pretends to have counter play with vitals but you'll never miss a vital because of her Q and the huge effect range each vital has. Fiora doesn't need an attack speed slow to be successful. She doesn't need to beat every champion 1v1 in the game.

ChuShoeSep 26, 20171 votes

Renekton? Is that you?