Can we make AP Ornn viable?

xxxMadLionxxx·Sep 24, 2017·33 votes·5,478 views

I really love Ornn W and wish it had some AP scaling. It just so fun to use.

Would that be to much to ask?

29 Comments

Hello I am BirdSep 24, 201730 votes

Can we make Ornn viable?

kasfasSep 24, 20174 votes

He's not that bad honestly. The only problem is he has no agency in his tough matchups. When he can't use his w and his q is too far out of range it's impossible for him to do anything.

If they really wanted to buff him they would increase his q travel speed to make ranged csing easier, as well as increase his shield value a bit.

Xion The XIVSep 24, 20173 votes

Ehh is isn't bad, but he isn't good what so ever. His only gimmick is he builds some early Health Regen and he will outscale his opponent because he never has to back. But the problem even with that his ganks are not very good. So his Roams to say mid is horrible. Play him top lane and you will be at a minimum a item a head of the laner, but they will out scale you in damage. In jungle you will be forced to ignore mid because there is very little chances of you hitting a terrain. His support seems to only be good against Melee support which is hardly seen right now.

I just can't see where he would do anything good that can't be replaced for someone better. He can easily be replaced by champions like Galio and J4.

I mean how good is a champion when you can by pass a majority of his damage by walking in the middle of the lane in a straight line.

kasfasSep 24, 20175 votes

I mean how good is a champion when you can by pass a majority of his damage by walking in the middle of the lane in a straight line.

Ask Sion that question.

His ult can be actually really devastating if you get it on a few people, and his damage isn't ignorable. His problem mostly is how slow and predictable he is.

I don't want him to be less slow however, I just want him to pack more of a punch. Something i saw that was interesting is giving ornn GW on his w so that other champions can't just ignore his damage as long as he keeps hitting them.

I don't know what he needs to be better, but he's not too bad right now to begin with after the ult buffs. I'm sure someone will figure out what he needs, but until then I'm gonna keep playing him as is.

LordGeovanniSep 24, 20171 votes

I prefer Sion be less slow than pack more of a punch at least until they nerf the armor pen of Black Cleaver and buff defensive items more.

kasfasSep 24, 20171 votes

Sion isn't bad right now. He's pretty good actually, but you need to farm a lot.

In fact he is probably the only tank who can get away with being tanky and NOT building stoneplate, so long as you farm enough.

LordGeovanniSep 24, 20171 votes

but he doesnt have decent armor or magic resist either and you cant build ad to farm only your easily dodged q and long cooldown ult scales with it.

kasfasSep 25, 20171 votes

But he can get all his armour and mr from items now and his ad scaling abilities have a 1.9 total and .8 bonus ad respectively.

It's also not too easy to dodge if he lands an e on you first.

LordGeovanniSep 25, 20172 votes

Armor and Magic resist are supposedly only supposed to be strong early game yet the champions who need them the most dont have that much.

The Yetii RiderSep 25, 20171 votes

The fact that you never have to base, like ever, makes Orrn a very good farming jungler. Yes, his ganks mid are bad, but you just don't gank. You refuse to gank, and your team has to hold up for that. In exchange, you bring a giant unkillable vanguard to the team fight phase.

It's very similar to Master Yi, the difference is that instead of 1v5 murdering, you 1v5 don't die.

Xion The XIVSep 25, 20171 votes

But that is also the problem he doesn't really provide much damage. Yes he never has to back, but because the JG has such long timers you don't really do anything either. All you can really do is gank top and bot and pray your mid doesn't feed the Zed kills. He can bring a lot of utility to the team, but at the same time say going against a Lee sin he has better gank to the point he can get his team a head. His best portion of him is he doesn't need to back to base and he has an AOE knock up on his ult. But outside of that he is like Ivern in which he is 100% dependent on his team actually being good enough that his supporting will help them win. If your team is bad you can not really carry with Ornn unless the enemy is worse.

The Yetii RiderSep 25, 20171 votes

I play Nunu exclusively. I destroy early game junglers like Lee Sin all the time because people vastly overestimate how important an early game lead is. What's important is two things:

A) You have a tank who is able to buy Cinderhulk and is also able to farm freely without worrying about being ganked or getting harassed in lane

B) You get dragons, heralds and baron

These team wide buffs are much more important than just gold and kill pressure.

You don't need to carry with Orrn. In fact, you can't carry with MOST tanks. Why would you want to? Why is the tank not having damage a problem? Most tanks don't have damage. Tanks SHOULDN'T have damage.

Latex ChokerSep 25, 20171 votes

His roams post-6 are actually really good. At max range it's basically impossible to dodge the initial hit of his ult, setting up nicely for whatever lane he's ganking for and forcing his opponent to try and dodge both his lane opponent's CC and the giant ram coming from the fog of war.

GrizzlpawSep 24, 20178 votes

Ornn actually isn't that durable. He just builds tank and has butt loads of CC.

xxxMadLionxxxSep 24, 20174 votes

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actually isn't that durable. He just builds tank and has butt loads of CC.

Yea i woud just love to build him damage, but his has almost no ap ratios.

IGotScuttleCrabsSep 25, 20171 votes

I loaded right into practice mode with him and was so confused i barely nuked the adc bot with full ap items. Then noticed his kit scales on just about every item type >.> If i remember right it was like Q- AD W- HP E-Armor/MR R-AP some shit like that. Was so annoyed. Im the guys that loves the RoA rush on toplane tanks like Naut and Mao. It just doesn't work for Ornn [sg-janna]

SSShutTheDuckUpSep 24, 20174 votes

Can we make AP viable?

kasfasSep 24, 20172 votes

I second this. Give his w and his e ap ratios.

Or at least gives his w an ap ratio and his e an ad ratio.

DrugothSep 24, 20171 votes

His E already scales from a combination of his armor and MR. His W already does % current health damage. So against a full health champion his W hits like a truck, but against a champion with < 50% health it doesn't hurt as much.

kasfasSep 25, 20172 votes

So we just add a 0.3 ap ratio to it to give him more power. Plus his resist scaling is really weak.

DanjengSep 24, 20172 votes

You're telling me that you DON'T build Deathcap on Ornn?

Trias000Sep 24, 20178 votes

Always rush Rabadon's Deathcrown 1st item

SwiftKitten88Sep 24, 20172 votes

i don't feel they can... if they give him more damage they are going to need to hit his tankness or his CC in return..

i mean I'm fine if people want to go full damage build on stuff that are normally built tankier like JarvanIV and Sion but there has to be a trade off.

when those champs lose GO full damage they CAN be burst down fairly quickly. if Ornn is going to have the option to go full damage.. doing so has to hit his survivablity, which it isn't going to do if u just buff the AP ratios

LordGeovanniSep 24, 20173 votes

except he has no tankyness he just builds defensively which building damage would cause him to be less tanky because he is tradeing items. he also has no cc as everything he has requires his enemy to be afk or walk into it.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 25, 20171 votes

No cc? I mean, his Q is shitty for CC, but he has his dash and his ult. His dash has a stun, I believe (not certain, though. Could be wrong), and his ult, while tricky to aim well (most reflects are), is a very long-range knockup.

LordGeovanniSep 26, 20171 votes

like i said everything that you call cc on him requires his enemy to walk into it or be afk. I actually hope we start recolonizing Slows and CC because adcs have some of the most powerful slows in the game that is basically a stun if you try to move if you dont have a dash or cant use it. . orns ult is very slow and you can run out of the path comming and going