I'm getting tired of having to ban him EVERY FREAKING GAME
plat + win rate:
http://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle = 54.78%
http://na.op.gg/champion/shaco/statistics/jungle = 54.41%
http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/shaco/diamond = 55.1%
luckily... that's only plat +
in silver he has only a 53% win rate, and in bronze.. a measly 52%
seriously riot, 55% winrate is practically in the freaking HOTFIX RANGE...
SwiftKitten886 votes.. wtf people... how much freaking evidence do i need to provide that he is fucking OP.
when making a post: back it up with data.
some of you freaking need to watch this... posting and you
Genocide Victim4 votesYea Shaco is terror. Pure cancer to play against.
GULAG 4 U3 votes"hurdurdur Ive never seen a shaco carry therefore he's not op"
Whaii so serious in 2016
this is the kind of dumbshit that appears around here.
Miror B2 votesShaco doesn't so much need a nerf, as he needs his kit changed to back when it was both viable to go crit and AP (instead of now where AP is really the only reason to take him over something like rengo).
MagicFlyingLlama2 votesThis is actually really funny, because as you go up in rank, players should be way better at avoiding shaco shenanigans.
I guess ELow shaco players get worse faster than players get worse at avoiding shaco.
SwiftKitten885 votesThis is actually really funny, because as you go up in rank, players should be way better at avoiding shaco shenanigans.
I guess ELow shaco players get worse faster than players get worse at avoiding shaco.
... part of the issue is with the new changes, you CAN'T avoid it.
you cant pink ward it him anymore . and with 4.5 seconds of stealth even if you see him turn invisible you still have no idea which target he is going to choose.
the only counterplay is to hide under turrent.. which basically means.. there is no counterplay.
NightmareAmazoX2 votesIgnore him, Those statistics are for Platinum+
SwiftKitten881 votesIgnore him, Those statistics are for Platinum+
its still 53% in silver and 52% in bronze
http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/shaco/bronze http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/shaco/silver
(unfortunately that is the only site i know that does data for every elo, so i don't have any other reference points for lower elo)
HollowMimic2 votes
to see him and 
to cancel his traps when he tries to bait you.
As far as champion picks are concerned, if you meet him often/enemy has picked him before you and you play jgl, I suggest to pick a counter. 
and 
can reveal him with their abilities, irrelevant of where he goes (though a good Shaco player might still be able to counter at least a good Diana).
CC skills also work/lock him down as he is a squishy assassin, that can die instantly. I suggest 
for that as far as jgl is concerned, due to his tankiness as an extra counter. 
kit is also very effective against him, irrelevant of role.
You can also try and practice vs Shaco bots/friends just to get used to play against him.
Shaco can be easily countered if you are prepared and mindful about him.
Big Lincoln2 votesHe already got hotfixed.
The only nerf Shaco needs is the return of pink wards.
dominusx1 votesIt's shaco not shaco or shaco. Shaco.
SwiftKitten881 votesIt's shaco not shaco or shaco. Shaco.
there, fixed; Sorry, i played Diablo II for 12 years... it's hard for me to type it with a "C". muscle memory for "K" is too strong
KraDEsluP2821 votesedit: you ruined my joke :(
NoobLearninGame1 votesI think I heard it's another case of items needing to be nerfed, and not the champion? Could be a bit of both though. At least with regards to AP Shaco some form of nerf is needed. Other than that, AD/Crit Shaco may need a buff based on what I've been hearing.
SwiftKitten881 votesI think I heard it's another case of items needing to be nerfed, and not the champion? Could be a bit of both though. At least with regards to AP Shaco some form of nerf is needed. Other than that, AD/Crit Shaco may need a buff based on what I've been hearing.
not really.. i dont pretend to be a shaco expert, but i do know he scales with both AD and AP, and i do know that the vast majority of AP junglers got screwed with the new jungle changes. if if it is indeed AP shaco thats the issue. im pretty damn sure it isn't the items.... if AD shako is the issue i could certainly believe that items might be part of the issue, but not if its AP..
NoobLearninGame1 votesnot really.. i dont pretend to be a shaco expert, but i do know he scales with both AD and AP, and i do know that the vast majority of AP junglers got screwed with the new jungle changes. if if it is indeed AP shaco thats the issue. im pretty damn sure it isn't the items.... if AD shako is the issue i could certainly believe that items might be part of the issue, but not if its AP..
As far as I know everyone's been saying AD/Crit sucks now after the rework, and AP is overpowered. They also say that it's not really because of his ratios which apparently are rather low compared to many other champions, but that he's very item dependent for his power.
AD/Crit is considered underpowered (and Crit has been considered bad at high ELOs for a long time, it needs a buff of some kind for Shaco), AP is the major issue from my understanding. Then there's guys like Shaclone who usually played Tanky-AD before the rework. I haven't been watching him much lately but I think I saw him playing Tanky-AP instead of his old Tanky-AD at least a couple times.
AP Shaco is the thing having success right now.
