I feel like the only reason Zz'rot is not used more is simply because it is still PERCEIVED as bad.

Sorgklaan··36 votes·2,283 views

It's a strong item, the scaling on the minions being changed to %health was a really strong buff to it as well, as well as the range being increased.

Let's just break it down. For starters, let's just examine the STATS on it alone. 60 MR, 60 armor, and 150% health regen for 2750. Those are some VERY efficient and cheap stats. 120 in mixed resists for 2750? That's a god damn bargain, but what about the passive and active? 20% bonus movement speed near turrets, plus an active that scales massively with your maximum health and can push a lane quite far with absolutely no assistance.

So why is this item not used more? With so many new health stacking items around, you would think a super efficient mixed resists item would be very much appealing, but it's not. I feel like the reason it's not used is not because it's weak, but simply because it still has this stigma to it from when it legitimately was a lackluster item. But the %health scaling change really made it all that much better on anybody who builds heath.

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Desiderium28 votes

There will be a meta for it eventually.

Then it will be nerfed.

I assure you all of this.

kaltenashes22 votes

Nasus "The cycle of buff and nerf continues. We will live, they will salt"

7ha7guy7771 votes

Black Market Brawlers Razorfin rush. Scary af

Desiderium1 votes

What did I say? WHAT did I say?

EvilMerodach12 votes

item 3060 too. Hidden OP, if used right.

I think the main problem is yoloQ can't capitalize on it. You need to put it somewhere, then group up and put pressure somewhere else so they're forced to deal with the portal and make a 5v4, or force them into a 5v5 siege and have the rot free pushing for you while that's going on.

But mostly what will actually happen in solo queue is you'll go top, place it, go mid...and everyone kinda just splits off, farms jungle and bot, or randomly starts attacking dragon, and you end up stuck mid kinda doing nothing and someone goes top and kills your portal.

It's just not clear cut for allies what you should be doing with the 'advantage' you're creating with the item. Just easier and less confusing for playing with randoms to build a GA or something more straightforward and split push yourself.

Oshlet15 votes

Banner of command on baron buffed cannon minions is obscene: Its too risky for adcs to pick it off and mages will do 0 damage to them with their long range spells as they chip the tower down.

ShatoSummoner1 votes

True facts. Pick up a zz'rot on a champion like mundo, or even one of the juggernauts lately since juggernauts benefit from health and pure resistances. Drop it in a bush at top lane, and then pressure mid lane with your team or head over to an import objective like dragon or baron and force a teamfight. If they go for the 5v5 teamfight, you will in all likelihood get at least one turret. On the other hand, if they try to defend it 4v5 or just ignore you, you probably are going to get that objective. Of course if they beat you 5v5, and get the baron buff while your zz'rot continues to push, you STILL might get a turret or more.

ShatoSummoner1 votes

OH I almost forgot. One champion who does REALLY REALLY well with zz'rot and banner of command is bard. the point runner passive synergises amazingly with his roaming and combined they give him several stats he makes use of (Cooldown reduction, resistances, health, regeneration) while also giving him a lot more pressure.

Slamurai Jack10 votes

I feel like it's biggest problem is that it just feels awkward in a final build. What do you give up to fit it in there? That's always been the issue with niche items like this.

TacoTheKitten3 votes

Niche item: finds good synergy with a champion after 3 seasons Riot: hmmmm Niche item: counters Lee sin Riot: NERF Niche item: please... Please no... Riot: DOUBLE NERF Niche item: oh god Riot: we'll just nerf that champ you were good on, just to make sure. Champion: no... Have mercy... Riot: NEEEEERRRRRRFFFFF

Raoul9 votes

Be happy. Look what happened to Banner of command... If supports start using a new Item, you can be sure RIOT will gut it to hell. Supports are not allowed to have impact, otherwise people could play other supports that Thresh...

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

The item could've been legitimately op. Also personally, I just don't know how to use the portal. Where do you even place the thing?

Icestar11864 votes

In a brush in lane would be my pick. Or if you're losing, in your own base.

rG Thundrag6 votes

Zz'Rot actually is a great item the big voidlings takes out roughly 1/4th a towers hp with only 2 hp items

Its actually a pretty good 2nd pick up on Garen Garen right after a BC to solidify your defenses against all damage types and give you pressure across the map.

In soloque people will also often just go searching for the portal facechecking brushes and just die from getting caught out.

71389310_DEL1 votes

I like to rush item 2053 right away before building my Phage if I'm against another Melee. A highly defensive start seems nice for Garen given his Q and E let him trade well in the beginning even without a damage item.

Gigahappytown3 votes

its only viable on a few champs who are really really good at not dieing ie shen and garen

The Yetii Rider3 votes

Zz'rot is not a good item in most builds. You might think that because it benefits from stacking health that it'd be strong in a meta where you stack health but...no. Because the item itself doesn't give you any health. Same reason no one was building Thornmail even before they ruined it, or Guardian Angel despite it also giving very strong dual resistances.

You just need health as a melee champion in this game. More health is better than more resistances. Especially when the other items give you actives that are better for team fighting, like a Randuin's slow or a Dead Man's Plate bonus MS buff.

Seriously, like everything that Zz'rot can do, Dead Man's can do better, and it gives you health instead of MR (since most magic damage is burst anyways, health is often just as good as MR for ignoring it). The only thing it can't do is help you split push, but any champion that wants to build Zz'rot is better of team fighting than splitting anyway.

The Loveless1 votes

Exactly. Penetration absolutely kills pure defensive items.

OverpoweredSoap2 votes

Kinda surprised I don't see tank supports picking it up.

Byakuya Kuchiki1 votes

um its shit now. it was god tier before they made it scale off health when it scaled off armor and mr you could just build randuins frozen heart thornmail or banshee's and spirit visage and every 4th was hitting towers for like 400 damage

HaIlMonitor1 votes

It is really good on Hiemerdinger it turns him into an ultra safe Trydamere that can 1v2 for days.

Hayaishi21 votes

That thing is actually good, specially in SoloQ.

blackmoma1 votes

its a good item people just don't build it or forget to build it. it is hidden op

SaltyKracka1 votes

It's the active, really.

ForgottenLuck1 votes

I just wish it would get a lower price I love the idea item but i find it a bit to expensive

71389310_DEL1 votes

I use it with Garen if that makes you feel better.

Reaper Soraka1 votes

I think I've said it before; A portal underneath the inner turret means hey cannot effectively split push a lane without staying in it (cannot push by walking away with a minion advantage.) because the voidlings will push it back out with the very next minion wave. While some of the minions will die to other minions, the voidlings grant gold on kills to the player who placed it. The voidlings can attack down lane from the inner turret to roughly the middle of the lane.

I've found most success from it as support, as a third or fourth item (depending on what you see oracle's lens as.)

Daedalus8711 votes

I just think that there are other items that I need more.

LordGeovanni1 votes

it isnt bad but in solo where your enemies are some what competent your allies will be too scared to defend the portal in the lane that you are seigeing late game and if you leave it in another lane some one will be there to destroy it in 20 seconds.

LadyRenly1 votes

If it prioritized turrets over minions I think it'd be 100% better

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

I use it all the time. on occasion I can set it down when ganked and the enemy gets distracted by it long enough for my team to kill them.

Tis a nice day1 votes

Shh, I prefer keeping Zz'rot a secret.

Infiny Mage1 votes

I love taking zz'rot On Tahm Kench. Specially when I'm jungling. Team pushing onaa tower? Drop and forget while we team fight. Ganking a lane? Extra movement speed to catch to up to the fleeing enemy. If I need to split a lane I can drop it and then ult to where ever my team is as the fight begins to unfold, forcing them to back off or lose a tower. And those stats truly are nice for the amount of gold.

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