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I'm really sick of Tryndamkere, Master yi, Aattrox and Jax

ValiantKiller··18 votes·6,462 views

Whatever you want to say about me, noob or learn to play or whatever. But i'm done and sick of this 4 champions that all they do is right click, secure a kill or 2 while some of them can be just as tanky as their damage. Tryndamere Let me kill your top laner over and over cause i got stupid kit while in same time if i fall behind, don't worry i will split push hard and just run away or kill someone by luck cause new items give me 100% crit now. MasterYi item 3124 item 3153+item 1419 + 2 tanks item i will rekt your whole team if i want to. Aatrox right now the only real counter i found to him was Nasus after 350+ stacks otherwise good luck try to fight him. Jax Let me build 2 tank items + item 3146 +item 3078 +item 3053 and i will kill you in 1v1 or 3v1 if i have to.

And i'm really done from this game and it balance team, 4 champions running around with toxic kit and that is fine for the game , god i can't wait to see the spear of crap that you design running on the 4 of them as they melt down my team one by one and their damage reset their damage reduction from spear passive.

Side note i really don't care much about them but i care cause most of my team mates can't deal with their toxic kit which lead them to snowball hard.

58 Comments

DW Diana7 votes

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Whatever you want to say about me, noob or learn to play or whatever. But i'm done and sick of this 4 champions that all they do is right click, secure a kill or 2 while some of them can be just as tanky as their damage. Tryndamere Let me kill your top laner over and over cause i got stupid kit while in same time if i fall behind, don't worry i will split push hard and just run away or kill someone by luck cause new items give me 100% crit now. MasterYi item 3124 item 3153+item 1419 + 2 tanks item i will rekt your whole team if i want to. Aatrox right now the only real counter i found to him was Nasus after 350+ stacks otherwise good luck try to fight him. Jax Let me build 2 tank items + item 3146 +item 3078 +item 3053 and i will kill you in 1v1 or 3v1 if i have to.

And i'm really done from this game and it balance team, 4 champions running around with toxic kit and that is fine for the game , god i can't wait to see the spear of crap that you design running on the 4 of them as they melt down my team one by one and their damage reset their damage reduction from spear passive.

Side note i really don't care much about them but i care cause most of my team mates can't deal with their toxic kit which lead them to snowball hard.

Illaoi Yorick Urgot Trundle Volibear Darius DrMundo

There's a few champions that win against those.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-08T07:34:02.453+0000)

Illaoi Yorick Urgot Trundle Volibear Darius DrMundo

There's a few champions that win against those.

Trundle can't win against yi cause the amount of true damage, urgot and illaoi yes while yorick get rekt by them the most cause they can hope around his wall idk much about the rest but voli would struggle against yi and tryn for sure.

MrHaZeYo7 votes

Actually, Trundle dumpsters Tryn.

Yi, does do well vs Trundle. Come to think about it, All of those champs do well vs Tryn, he really isn't that strong.

NemeBro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-08T07:34:02.453+0000)

Illaoi Yorick Urgot Trundle Volibear Darius DrMundo

There's a few champions that win against those.

Only Yorick and Trundle can potentially take on any of these champions in the mid to late game by themselves, which seems to be this guy's issue with the champions.

AgentOrang1 votes

You are missing in champion that destroys them all, rammus.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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You are missing in champion that destroys them all, rammus.

Rammus is good if you got a smart team to follow on you otherwise you could get beat out from early to late game, that from what i did exp with him so far.

NemeBro1 votes

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You are missing in champion that destroys them all, rammus.

Rammus loses to all of them 1v1 eventually, but a decent Rammus does make team fighting as these champions nearly impossible yeah.

DW Diana1 votes

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Only Yorick and Trundle can potentially take on any of these champions in the mid to late game by themselves, which seems to be this guy's issue with the champions.

Depends how they play. If you can play any of those champions well, then you should either be able to get ahead early and beat them, or scale late and beat them. Yorick and Illaoi may not need to get ahead because they scale, but the rest can 1v1 most of them pre 6 or post 6 if played right. It's just about knowing the matchup. Illaoi won't be able to 1v1 a trynd early, but Jax she can beat the shit out of lol. At some point they can all win if you know the matchup well enough. Then it's just about who gets late game first. A yorick q or illaoi w at full build will wreck any of these, with or without ult. Trundle will destroy any of them that even look at a tanky item. And Volibear... damn that guy is a machine

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2018-06-08T15:20:06.851+0000)

Depends how they play. If you can play any of those champions well, then you should either be able to get ahead early and beat them, or scale late and beat them. Yorick and Illaoi may not need to get ahead because they scale, but the rest can 1v1 most of them pre 6 or post 6 if played right. It's just about knowing the matchup. Illaoi won't be able to 1v1 a trynd early, but Jax she can beat the shit out of lol. At some point they can all win if you know the matchup well enough. Then it's just about who gets late game first. A yorick q or illaoi w at full build will wreck any of these, with or without ult. Trundle will destroy any of them that even look at a tanky item. And Volibear... damn that guy is a machine

Problem is with yorick he can be cheesed early by any of this 4 champions + ignite while illaoi do rekt Aattrox and jax early to late game.

DW Diana1 votes

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Problem is with yorick he can be cheesed early by any of this 4 champions + ignite while illaoi do rekt Aattrox and jax early to late game.

Thats pretty much yorick mo though "kill him while you can" lol Illaoi is more of a "kill her all you want, she'll still destroy you at 6. The more the merrier"

Aatrox isnt really a problem tbh. I'd say it's more of a skill match up with both of these, and he's got a hell of a lot to lose without tp. If his cheese goes wrong he could find himself q'ing back to a half hp tower and missing 2 waves pre 6. After that it'll only get worse. Aatrox vs yorick/illaoi is like diana vs akali in midlane; she who gets ahead stays ahead. Get even one kill and without help the lane is over. The only difference is yorick and Illaoi just keep scaling faster while aatrox doesn't.

Note: this has been my experience, I am a mid lane main but play top a few times a week. I bow to the wisdom of more experienced players, but take the boards with a healthy handful of salt xD

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=00020001000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-08T18:34:42.961+0000)

Thats pretty much yorick mo though "kill him while you can" lol Illaoi is more of a "kill her all you want, she'll still destroy you at 6. The more the merrier"

Aatrox isnt really a problem tbh. I'd say it's more of a skill match up with both of these, and he's got a hell of a lot to lose without tp. If his cheese goes wrong he could find himself q'ing back to a half hp tower and missing 2 waves pre 6. After that it'll only get worse. Aatrox vs yorick/illaoi is like diana vs akali in midlane; she who gets ahead stays ahead. Get even one kill and without help the lane is over. The only difference is yorick and Illaoi just keep scaling faster while aatrox doesn't.

Note: this has been my experience, I am a mid lane main but play top a few times a week. I bow to the wisdom of more experienced players, but take the boards with a healthy handful of salt xD

Illaoi can't destroy you after 6 if you able to avoid her E, not to mention Urgot and Yorick manhandle her really badly. And yorick part i don't know really but i found that trundle can give him the pain in all phase of game due to trudnle r and able to melt down yorick R. And that is true aatrox is binary kit just like wukong, dianna, akali and such either get snowball or you screwed for good.

DW Diana1 votes

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Illaoi can't destroy you after 6 if you able to avoid her E, not to mention Urgot and Yorick manhandle her really badly. And yorick part i don't know really but i found that trundle can give him the pain in all phase of game due to trudnle r and able to melt down yorick R. And that is true aatrox is binary kit just like wukong, dianna, akali and such either get snowball or you screwed for good.

Thanks for the insight regarding the yorick illaoi matchup, but if you read the op you'll see what I was showing counters to xD

NemeBro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2018-06-08T15:20:06.851+0000)

Depends how they play. If you can play any of those champions well, then you should either be able to get ahead early and beat them, or scale late and beat them. Yorick and Illaoi may not need to get ahead because they scale, but the rest can 1v1 most of them pre 6 or post 6 if played right. It's just about knowing the matchup. Illaoi won't be able to 1v1 a trynd early, but Jax she can beat the shit out of lol. At some point they can all win if you know the matchup well enough. Then it's just about who gets late game first. A yorick q or illaoi w at full build will wreck any of these, with or without ult. Trundle will destroy any of them that even look at a tanky item. And Volibear... damn that guy is a machine

Getting ahead early is irrelevant to this discussion, since homeboy seems strictly concerned with their power levels in the mid and late game.

Illaoi can not beat a single one of those champions by herself in the late game, and probably not even mid game. All can easily kite out the ult, and frankly they can probably facetank her at a point. Yorick is a better duelist than Illaoi, but he gets shredded by Master Yi and Tryndamere. He might have some potential to beat Aatrox or Jax.

Tryndamere builds no tank items, and he will kill Trundle before Tryndamere's ult duration is up. Master Yi builds slight tankiness, but it doesn't really matter. Yi's DPS is second to none. He'll shred Trundle. Jax he has some potential to kill because Jax is pretty reliant on his tank items and tank steroid, and Trundle mitigates that. Not sure about Aatrox.

Volibear? Voli gets fucking rick'rolled by any of these guys lol. That dude's damage falls off a cliff.

P4ppino6 votes

Yes, most low elo players have trouble with auto attack based hypercarries, especially yi. I guess it's the way it's meant to be.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SS Pappino,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-08T07:09:06.467+0000)

Yes, most low elo players have trouble with auto attack based hypercarries, especially yi. I guess it's the way it's meant to be.

And it seem so.

P4ppino1 votes

I think this is a rather interesting observation. Think about it, after all this time, champs have risen and fallen, but this one thing has not changed much.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SS Pappino,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-08T07:35:00.922+0000)

I think this is a rather interesting observation. Think about it, after all this time, champs have risen and fallen, but this one thing has not changed much.

And i forgot to mention Udyr

P4ppino1 votes

IMO udyr is a little different than the ones you mentioned. He's not really a hypercarry, it's way easier to deal with him if he goes damage, than the others, also he doesn't have a game changing super Saiyan ult. On the other hand, he is great at split pushing, and he can be an annoying bastard if he builds tanky.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=SS Pappino,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-08T08:59:38.970+0000)

IMO udyr is a little different than the ones you mentioned. He's not really a hypercarry, it's way easier to deal with him if he goes damage, than the others, also he doesn't have a game changing super Saiyan ult. On the other hand, he is great at split pushing, and he can be an annoying bastard if he builds tanky.

True either he go full tanky or full damage, and he not great team fighter.

Salson4 votes

It's just the low skill requirement needed to play them.

You can always beat someone playing Riven or Camille at 60%, while Yi and Tryn start with 90% efficiency in the first game you play them.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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It's just the low skill requirement needed to play them.

You can always beat someone playing Riven or Camille at 60%, while Yi and Tryn start with 90% efficiency in the first game you play them.

And they snowball the harder from few kills as well ? it easier for me to shutdown a average skill champion after they snowball than shutdown this champions for some reason.

Pika Fox5 votes

If all they do is right click, then theyre at a massive disadvantage, as you have 4 buttons you can press to negate them. "Right click no skill" champs dont exist, and its literally not an argument.

AirKingNeo3 votes

I'm sick of people complaining about non problems.

Complaining about Aatrox? That unfortunate piece of shit?

Jax building Gunblade? That's a funny joke. Why would Jax build a mage item?

Alsius5 votes

Uh, dude? Jax builds gunblade. His AP scalings are good (and it gives him MR when he ults), buffing both his fourth auto and his W, and it still gives him AD, while also letting him heal off of everything. It's not mandatory on him, but it's a good item on him.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Jax stopped building Gunblade 2 years ago. It's not a bruiser item anymore.

At most he builds it with Rageblade because Rageblade has hybrid scalings, but not with a Trinity Sterak's Build, or even first item. Otherwise the item has no place for Jax.

Jamaree2 votes

Build armor?

ValiantKiller4 votes

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Build armor?

Maybe if armor was useful, why you don't see tankers anymore around ? Right cause alot of true damage pushed into our throat special with Tryndamere +Conquer +item 3031 or yi + Conquer + E. Yi is one of the few champions in game able to destroy Trundle 1v1 with his R cause Master yi true damage that just say nope.

Jamaree2 votes

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Maybe if armor was useful, why you don't see tankers anymore around? Right cause alot of true damage pushed into our throat special with Tryndamere +Conquer +item 3031 or yi + Conquer + E.

Indeed, with all the true damage, their means of simply outtanking the DPS of DPSers isn't a thing anymore, however, other champions with damage can DPS them can burst them since they are stacking pure damage. You build a little armor and as long as they aren't fed, they are squishy as fuck and you pop them.

Yi is one of the few champions in game able to destroy Trundle 1v1 with his R cause Master yi true damage that just say nope.

Ok and?

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Indeed, with all the true damage, their means of simply outtanking the DPS of DPSers isn't a thing anymore, however, other champions with damage can DPS them can burst them since they are stacking pure damage. You build a little armor and as long as they aren't fed, they are squishy as fuck and you pop them.

Ok and?

Ok and that mean the amount that yi put as true damage is enough to out damage the armor steal that trundle can steal.

And yes true damage just so much that stacking armor doesn't work anymore.

Jamaree3 votes

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Ok and that mean the amount that yi put as true damage is enough to out damage the armor steal that trundle can steal.

And yes true damage just so much that stacking armor doesn't work anymore.

Seeing as how true damage conversion isn't 100%, that is just false. You can't complain about a fed champion doing damage to you when you refuse to itemize against them.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Seeing as how true damage conversion isn't 100%, that is just false. You can't complain about a fed champion doing damage to you when you refuse to itemize against them.

And who said i don't ? I just saying wish it work

Jamaree5 votes

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And who said i don't ? I just saying wish it work

I can see you lying you know, the game you made this post over, Try who got fed was 11/5, and you didn't build a single armor item, which is dumb because they didn't have an AP threat.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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I can see you lying you know, the game you made this post over, Try who got fed was 11/5, and you didn't build a single armor item, which is dumb because they didn't have an AP threat.

I'm not talking about that game only, i'm talking in general.

Jamaree5 votes

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I'm not talking about that game only, i'm talking in general.

And your excuse that game was?

Raoul2 votes

Other than Jax I was not aware that any of these Champions saw any relevant play lately...

Jamaree3 votes

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Other than Jax I was not aware that any of these Champions saw any relevant play lately...

They haven't, they are just the usual low elo pubstompers that people always bitch about.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Jax doesn't even.

FireDrizzle2 votes

If Trynd destroys your team he is either stupidly fed or you dont have much cc. And if Yi destroys your team you dont have much cc, even fed Yi can get blown up if someone lands 1 cc due to chaining.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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If Trynd destroys your team he is either stupidly fed or you dont have much cc. And if Yi destroys your team you dont have much cc, even fed Yi can get blown up if someone lands 1 cc due to chaining.

He was fed but not stupid fed, 2 kills enough to snowball him more any champion.

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

A cry for aatrox? 0_o

Press Q Win2 votes

Tryndamere is boring i agree, he deserve a rework. Master Yi get easily shutdown if he isn't playing safe. Aatrox idk what to tell you i don't see him quite often but grieivous wound do wonder against him. He is the AD Vlad for me. Jax is extremely weak early game as he is item dependant to do his work. Abuse of it. Otherwise stay back and make it a farm lane.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Tryndamere is boring i agree, he deserve a rework. Master Yi get easily shutdown if he isn't playing safe. Aatrox idk what to tell you i don't see him quite often but grieivous wound do wonder against him. He is the AD Vlad for me. Jax is extremely weak early game as he is item dependant to do his work. Abuse of it. Otherwise stay back and make it a farm lane.

Tryndamere is boring and toxic , like i can take urgot and make him wish he wasn't lane against me but god if he was lane against weak top lane and fed on him god be with you trying to stop him.

AFilthyCaitMain1 votes

best aatrox counter = Illaoi

ValiantKiller1 votes

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best aatrox counter = Illaoi

and if banned ? that is the point not many.

AFilthyCaitMain2 votes

I mean you said you couldnt find a counter, so i tried to help u there

ValiantKiller1 votes

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I mean you said you couldnt find a counter, so i tried to help u there

There 1 or 2 counters at most, and they mostly banned otherwise they not play around them special if your team mates is good at feeding them.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Jax does a pretty good job against him lol.

Noor Sakata1 votes

While I agree, you forgot to put Trundle there

ValiantKiller2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qTcEQscZ,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-06-08T13:08:47.402+0000)

While I agree, you forgot to put Trundle there

And i forgot Udyr all of this battle duelist that say screw you over and your 2v1

Olifyne1 votes

Even tho yi is mechanicly easy, if he plays against a full cc team, late game hes job is dying. Probably is one of the most conterable Champions in league if you know how to play agaisnt him. A vayne can be a lot worst in late game. yi is no longer a champion past d2

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