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Surrdenering before 20

OlafRagnarson··3 votes·1,044 views

I really am not going to let up on this.

It is not Riot's business to determine how long a person should decided to play before they think that forfeiting is the best option.

If 4 people decide that the chances of coming back are too slim compared to the amount of extra time to be invested that is their judgement call to make. If that happens to be 10 or 15 minutes, so be it.

Riot should stop micromanaging their players and let them decide how to best use their time.

We should be allowed to forfeit at 10 minutes. There is no good reason to not allow this.

EDIT: It doesn't matter if the game COULD be won. Its about, how many times in this situation will we have to win in order for this effort to be worth my time? Meaning, when its 20 to 3 in 15 minutes, sure you MIGHT be able to win. But you will probably get more LP in the long run by saving yourself the time and moving on because you know that MOST of the time you aren't going to be able to come back from that, based on the team comp or other factors besides the score. And if the rest of the team feels the same way, why should they not be allowed to surrender?

22 Comments

Opportunistic3 votes

People give up too easily, people are getting offended (off subject I know) to easily and people cry about almost everything to easily. If you don't have time to play the game don't play. If you are one of those people that say "gg we are 0-10 so far, ff at 20" then you don't need to be playing ANY league matches. Mistakes do happen. Grind it out and have fun instead of crying about wasted time. None of the time is wasted because you can always further your knowledge on your champions limits even if you think you know them already.

OlafRagnarson2 votes

This isn't about giving up too easily. This is about having played enough games to know what is reasonable to try to come back from and what is not, and deciding how to value your own time.

Get it?

Opportunistic2 votes

Of course I understand your point. The point YOU are missing is "mistakes" "happen". GET IT? Surrendering is just throwing LP away. If they want your LP then the should force it from you.

OlafRagnarson2 votes

Um, dude. Try to follow the logic. If the majority of your team feels the same way and they would rather not grind it out, then you are probably going to be losing even if you can't surrender.

But that is not even the point. The point is that people who have hundreds and maybe thousands of games under their belt should be allowed to exercise their own judgement.

You clearly are in favor of controlling peoples decisions.

Opportunistic2 votes

I'm in favor of winning. I don't like people like you that give up so damn early. I'm strictly referring to ranked her but if you can't fight to keep your LP and take the enemies even if it most likely is a loss you shouldn't be playing ranked. I don't care what you think is a waste of time. It's not. Do you see people quit baseball games because oo man they are up 6 points, how about basketball? OOO NOOOO the have 30 points more than us! Or how about football? its 7-42 gg guys gg we quit 10 mins in. Hell no, they grind that shit out and sometimes they make a comeback. Ranked is competitive. If you start allowing 10 min surrenders which btw normally isn't even enough time to take more than two towers is just beyond stupid. I feel like you are the one lacking logic here. You need to step back and think. In this meta a lot of champions are late game champs right now. Giving up at 10 mins takes that whole potential away.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

People like ME? Dude I RARELY give up. I am opposed to surrendering 99 percent of the time.

The problem is you are using my post to attack me as a representative of those you despise. You are incorrect in doing this.

And in this meta, BTW, games are ending much faster on average than last season.

Your analogy with sports is absurd. They are getting paid and fans are watching. That is not the case with most of us playing ranked league. Furthermore, when money is on the line, no one would surrender a league match regardless of how bad things are going.

Look, I get that you think you are logical, but you really are wrong on all levels here and you are not making any point counters my original post.

Good day.

Opportunistic2 votes

My whole point is no surrenders for a a ranked match. You grind it out till one side wins. Period. That IS logical because that is COMPETITIVE PLAYING!. I'm all for it in norms. Just leave ranked out of it. I'm beyond sick and tired of the guy giving up 10 damn kills in 12 mins then wanting to ff as soon as 20 mins hit when each side has only lost 4 towers. It's frustrating as hell. Giving people surrender options sooner than that for solo players is going to make things 10 times worse.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Haha whatever you say pal. You have it fixed in your mind that this is an absolute rule. You stand by that regardless of any argument. No surrender ever. Everyone is forced to spend at least 20 minutes in a game regardless of the situation, and regardless of what the majority might want.

You would be a great dictator. Please don't ever comment on my posts again.

Sirsir3 votes

It should only be implemented if theres a DC for 5 minutes or more.

That is pretty much the only way to know that something can't be won right off the bat.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Oh yeah, cause experience cant tell you that. Are you all dense? Look, it doesn't matter if the came COULD be won. Its about, how many times in this situation will we have to win in order for this effort to be worth my time? Meaning, when its 20 to 3 in 15 minutes, sure you MIGHT be able to win. But you will probably get more LP in the long run by saving yourself the time and moving on because you know that MOST of the time you aren't going to be able to come back from that.

PhluffHead2 votes

I really don't understand why not. Maybe to stop some complex form of rigging games and farming IP?

charzards rage2 votes

The average game length is 30-45 minutes, why give up at 15? League isn't a fast paced game, quit being whiny and grind it out. Out of 300 matches I've surrendered about 9 and that was only for a friend. Late game is where it's at, it's a competitive game, don't like it then don't play it. If you want a fast paced game league isn't the place for you. People give up so easily on this game because it's a "waste of time". No shit, all games are meant for is having fun and wasting time. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't reply to this comment because after reading your comments, I see your IQ is too low to even comprehend what anyone is saying.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Its not about being whiny. Its about deciding what your time is worth. If you have over 1000 ranked games and you know that certain situations are very hard to come back from and 9 out of 10 times you wont, then people should be able to decide to forfeit. Its about time management of the limited time you have in life and being allowed to cast a vote on how that time should be used.

Furthermore, no one said anything about wanting a fast paced game. Stop inserting arguments that were never there just so you have more to say. I RARELY surrender. But on the very few occasions when I feel that the game is a lost cause BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND MY JUDGEMENT AND 3 OTHERS FEEL THE SAME WAY, we should be allowed to choose what do do with our time and not be forced to play it out till 20 minutes.

Do you get it yet?

So please try again. Stop spewing you pre-programmed knee-jerk response and try using your brain. Also, don't ever tell me not to respond to a comment on MY post.

ZephyrDrake3 votes

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Its not about being whiny. Its about deciding what your time is worth. If you have over 1000 ranked games and you know that certain situations are very hard to come back from and 9 out of 10 times you wont, then people should be able to decide to forfeit. Its about time management of the limited time you have in life and being allowed to cast a vote on how that time should be used.

Furthermore, no one said anything about wanting a fast paced game. Stop inserting arguments that were never there just so you have more to say. I RARELY surrender. But on the very few occasions when I feel that the game is a lost cause BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND MY JUDGEMENT AND 3 OTHERS FEEL THE SAME WAY, we should be allowed to choose what do do with our time and not be forced to play it out till 20 minutes.

Do you get it yet?

So please try again. Stop spewing you pre-programmed knee-jerk response and try using your brain. Also, don't ever tell me not to respond to a comment on MY post.

whine whine whine whine whine

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Okay good one.

charzards rage1 votes

If you truly "rarely" never surrendered you'd know more often than not that not surrdenering usually leads to a victory. Also, don't reply to my comment, you're an imbecile. If you played as much as you whined "surrdenering" wouldn't be an issue.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

I'll reply to any comment I want on my post. I know that victories come often from not surrendering. Why does everyone insist on arguing against an imaginary version of me? Does that make it easier so you don't have to deal with actually thinking before responding?

Don't ever tell me not to respond to something on my own post. Or anyone else's post for that matter. Get over yourself.

Calabok1 votes

Way to butcher that word

Tulare1 votes

It's a 12-letter word. His spell checker surrendered at 10.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Haha it was late at night.

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Right?

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