at level 1 Urgot has 585 HP (same as Illaoi) and 39 armor (same as Darius) despite being ranged and having more lane safety than either of them with his W for defense and his E for escapes
Maybe part of why he's overbearing is because he's got some of the best defensive lvl 1 base stats in the lane on top of his shield
Warlord Rhinark2 votesReduce base HP to 550 (- 35 HP) and reduce base armor to 35 (- 4 Armor).
That should fix it.
Edit: Changed it to 35 Armor from 30.
saltran2 votes9 less armor on a toplaner is pretty fucking huge.
Moody P1 votesurgot should be easier to punish for misplays when he's as safe as he is
Warlord Rhinark1 votes9 less armor on a toplaner is pretty fucking huge.
And Urgot is apparently also a pretty fucking huge problem from what I can gather, so a pretty fucking huge change seems to be in order.
Daddy Ants1 votes9 less armor on a toplaner is pretty fucking huge.
Not every top laner gets a shield that scales with 30% of their bonus health.
Salron2 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-30T11:04:01.505+0000)
Nerf Urgot
Stopped reading here upvoted
King Lego2 votesBefore you even say about nerfing Urgot, at least understand how he works. Early game he is great, but doesn't mean he's the only champion that does good early.
He's good at laning but usually falls off late, but that can depend on teams, build and enemy. His E is quite telegraphed and doesn't always save him when trying to escape. Urgot is great mostly vs tanks since his passive is max hp damage. But as for Juggernauts and fighters, he can have a rough time since his aa range isn't that great (especially with his W) and his Q, E and R aren't instant and enough for a human to dodge.
Take that from someone who mains and played reworked Urgot since release and understands what makes him strong and weak. Just because he's picked by pros doesn't mean he's overpowered. Hell, Teemo, Jax, Morde, Tryndamere, and even Gnar are hell to deal with in lane. Illaoi is also not that easy vs Urgot, same with Darius.
If you main champions that Urgot counters or hard counters or can bully in lane, then I don't know if i should take you seriously. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Moody P1 votesthen you suck at urgot.
none of these champions are hard matchups and urgot is overpowered.
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-10-30T13:10:49.448+0000)
then you suck at urgot.
none of these champions are hard matchups and urgot is overpowered.
So you're saying Teemo, Jax, Morde, Tryndamere, Gnar, Illaoi and Darius are all countered or have a rough time vs Urgot?
If that's the case then you're just biased.
Listen to those who know how Urgot works. I didn't earn level 7 for nothing. And didn't play Urgot since his release to be clueless or even know who to play him at a basic level.
Urgot can't even 1v9 easily, because he's a ranged juggernaut and his main build are all hp based and not much armor or MR unless you build them which sacrifices damage for durability.
ankoanko191 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:00:45.619+0000)
So you're saying Teemo, Jax, Morde, Tryndamere, Gnar, Illaoi and Darius are all countered or have a rough time vs Urgot?
If that's the case then you're just biased.
Listen to those who know how Urgot works. I didn't earn level 7 for nothing. And didn't play Urgot since his release to be clueless or even know who to play him at a basic level.
Urgot can't even 1v9 easily, because he's a ranged juggernaut and his main build are all hp based and not much armor or MR unless you build them which sacrifices damage for durability.
Like the other dude said, then you suck at Urgot. Just because youre level 7 it doesnt mean jack shit other than that you play a lot of Urgot. Urgots highest WR matchup is against Gnar and Teemo (62% and 60% respectively). In Diamond+ theres only 7 toplaners who score higher than a 50% wr against him. Otherwise he outperform the majority of his so called counters (Malphite for example is seen as a counter against Urgot and yet Urgot scores a 51% wr against him). You can name all the weaknesses he has, doesnt matter since his pros obviously outweighs the cons.
King Lego1 votesLike the other dude said, then you suck at Urgot. Just because youre level 7 it doesnt mean jack shit other than that you play a lot of Urgot. Urgots highest WR matchup is against Gnar and Teemo (62% and 60% respectively). In Diamond+ theres only 7 toplaners who score higher than a 50% wr against him. Otherwise he outperform the majority of his so called counters (Malphite for example is seen as a counter and yet Urgot has a 51% wr against him what a fucking joke). You can name all the weaknesses he has, doesnt matter since his pros obviously outweighs the cons.
"then you suck at Urgot" you don't even know how i play Urgot or how good/bad i am or whatever. Just because i said certain champions that can counter Urgot or give him a hard time doesn't mean i don't or can't deal with them.
Fine then, if that will make it easier for you to sleep at night, nerf Urgot. No amount of Nerfs will make him unviable anyway as long as you know how to play him. Oh wait, he's probably unviable for me since i suck at Urgot. I'm sorry i forgot! I'm delusional.
zZ KanKuro Zz1 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:21:25.729+0000)
"then you suck at Urgot" you don't even know how i play Urgot or how good/bad i am or whatever. Just because i said certain champions that can counter Urgot or give him a hard time doesn't mean i don't or can't deal with them.
Fine then, if that will make it easier for you to sleep at night, nerf Urgot. No amount of Nerfs will make him unviable anyway as long as you know how to play him. Oh wait, he's probably unviable for me since i suck at Urgot. I'm sorry i forgot! I'm delusional.
can you stop acting like a victim ,urgot is broken, theres a reason why the stats he said about win rate are a thing because the guy wins almost every single matchup, saying that he has counters when his win rate is far above 50% vs those counters just shows that the one biased is you.
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=zZ KanKuro Zz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:26:38.178+0000)
can you stop acting like a victim ,urgot is broken, theres a reason why the stats he said about win rate are a thing because the guy wins almost every single matchup, saying that he has counters when his win rate is far above 50% vs those counters just shows that the one biased is you.
No i'm just being full level sarcastic. Okay then nerf Urgot. My idea to nerf would be this: passive: deals 0 damage Q: deals 0 damage and grants enemy movement speed W: 0 damage and grants enemy shield E: does 0 damage and grants enemy a dash R: does 0 damage and instead of execute on enemy it only execute the ally.
See? Urgot nerf. No bias at all. Are you happy? You can sleep now? Problem solved. Now Faker can't pick Urgot and he would be like "ur got to be kidding me!"
zZ KanKuro Zz1 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:34:46.071+0000)
No i'm just being full level sarcastic. Okay then nerf Urgot. My idea to nerf would be this: passive: deals 0 damage Q: deals 0 damage and grants enemy movement speed W: 0 damage and grants enemy shield E: does 0 damage and grants enemy a dash R: does 0 damage and instead of execute on enemy it only execute the ally.
See? Urgot nerf. No bias at all. Are you happy? You can sleep now? Problem solved. Now Faker can't pick Urgot and he would be like "ur got to be kidding me!"
apparently you are unable to see what is right in front of your eyes but i will try to help, you are silver 2 with 33%win rate 24 games on urgot http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=King+Lego your builds and runes are everything but optimal https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Urgot so please dont pretend urgot is balanced just because you like to handicap yourself by using dumb items and sub optimal runes https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Urgot.
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=zZ KanKuro Zz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:51:57.994+0000)
apparently you are unable to see what is right in front of your eyes but i will try to help, you are silver 2 with 33%win rate 24 games on urgot http://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=King+Lego your builds and runes are everything but optimal https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Urgot so please dont pretend urgot is balanced just because you like to handicap yourself by using dumb items and sub optimal runes https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Urgot.
Buddy just say "Nerf urgot" and get on with it. I don't even care. And piss off from my account and quit stalking me. Stalking me without dinner 1st? Shame on you. Not even half smooth.
zZ KanKuro Zz1 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:58:38.787+0000)
Buddy just say "Nerf urgot" and get on with it. I don't even care. And piss off from my account and quit stalking me. Stalking me without dinner 1st? Shame on you. Not even half smooth.
i would not need to "stalk you" if you had not entered the full retard mode and if you were have to acknowledge the truth by yourself sometimes you need to understand that the champ is not weak you are bad with him just accept that.
All the stats say that urgot is broken win rate play rate everything but for some reason (Ego you are unable to see that you are handicaping yourself because you are playing with sub optimal runes and builds) you believe it is not .
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=zZ KanKuro Zz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T15:33:02.902+0000)
i would not need to "stalk you" if you had not entered the full retard mode and if you were have to acknowledge the truth by yourself sometimes you need to understand that the champ is not weak you are bad with him just accept that.
All the stats say that urgot is broken win rate play rate everything but for some reason (Ego) you believe it is not .
You want to know the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE TBE TRUTH! NONE OF YOU CAN!
Yeah full sarcasm works well in this place. I already told you, nerf Urgot. I don't care. I'm actually a Vel'Koz main. Urgot top is just my secondary while Sona support is tertiary.
I had my fun time.
zZ KanKuro Zz1 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-30T15:38:20.962+0000)
You want to know the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE TBE TRUTH! NONE OF YOU CAN!
Yeah full sarcasm works well in this place. I already told you, nerf Urgot. I don't care. I'm actually a Vel'Koz main. Urgot top is just my secondary while Sona support is tertiary.
I had my fun time.
i can imagine abusing a broken champ while having a negative win rate must be a blast, anyway at least with velkoz you are using optimal runes and builds.
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=zZ KanKuro Zz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-30T15:42:55.128+0000)
i can imagine abusing a broken champ while having a negative win rate must be a blast, anyway at least with velkoz you are using optimal runes and builds.
Urgot needs a decent team comp to be useful. Higher elo has that much better than low elo. While not perfect, the idea to add team voice chat on all teams rather than just premades is needed. Urgot is not a 1v9 champion. He's not even mobile, doesn't have much good range. If he goes full tank, he can't do much damage even if with shotgun passive, and if he goes damage, he will be squishee af.
Plus i haven't played Urgot for a while until last week. So piss off with how i play him or what my win rate is man. These things aren't even my own concern. If i have a bad win rate on the champion i'm familiar with quite well, should i be asking for buffs?
Do i have to go full sarcasm here or what? Because that's funny the first 2 times i did.
zZ KanKuro Zz1 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T16:11:01.560+0000)
Urgot needs a decent team comp to be useful. Higher elo has that much better than low elo. While not perfect, the idea to add team voice chat on all teams rather than just premades is needed. Urgot is not a 1v9 champion. He's not even mobile, doesn't have much good range. If he goes full tank, he can't do much damage even if with shotgun passive, and if he goes damage, he will be squishee af.
Plus i haven't played Urgot for a while until last week. So piss off with how i play him or what my win rate is man. These things aren't even my own concern. If i have a bad win rate on the champion i'm familiar with quite well, should i be asking for buffs?
Do i have to go full sarcasm here or what? Because that's funny the first 2 times i did.
funny lol for me right seeing you speak like a complete idiot because you know you are wrong but you dont admit, it was indeed rly fun seeing you go full cringe mode trying to act smart in a situation where you are wrong and when you are called out you say "muh sarcam i am so cool yay", aleluia first post i see from you in this intire thing thats even worth the time i spent reading it congrats.
King Lego1 votes[{quoted}](name=zZ KanKuro Zz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T16:16:37.818+0000)
funny lol for me right seeing you speak like a complete idiot because you know you are wrong but dont admit it was indeed rly fun aleluia first post i see from you in this intire thing thats even worth the time i spent reading it congrats.
To be honest, say whatever you want about me. We're total strangers anyway. But the only thing i'm thinking about right now is, what the hell is "aleluia"?!?
ankoanko191 votes[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qLRPsTE2,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T14:21:25.729+0000)
"then you suck at Urgot" you don't even know how i play Urgot or how good/bad i am or whatever. Just because i said certain champions that can counter Urgot or give him a hard time doesn't mean i don't or can't deal with them.
Fine then, if that will make it easier for you to sleep at night, nerf Urgot. No amount of Nerfs will make him unviable anyway as long as you know how to play him. Oh wait, he's probably unviable for me since i suck at Urgot. I'm sorry i forgot! I'm delusional.
It's not that people have a problem with urgot being Viable but Urgot being overpowered . Irelia, Akali, Jax are also in this boat.
King Lego1 votesIt's not that people have a problem with urgot being Viable but Urgot being overpowered . Irelia, Akali, Jax are also in this boat.
Nerf Irelia (properly this time), Akali and Jax then I'll shut my mouth when they nerf Urgot.
Especially Akali. A champion that turns even an angel into a demon solely because she's being played and even if she goes 0/5.
Hammermancer1 votesurgot is supposed to be overbearing in early game though... he's built to be a lane bully and has some mid game love to make him remotely useful late game
urgot isn't all that great if an opponent of equal strength knows how to avoid his damage output
Moody P1 votesurgot is equal to or better than every juggernaut at almost every point in the game
he's overpowered and needs to take a hit somewhere
Hammermancer1 votesIdunno I play jayce into him fine, which is someone who's supposed to get countered by him
Blåbæret1 votesMy problem with Urgot is that he's mostly unkillable for 99% of the champs in this game. He's way too tanky.
DarukongSr1 votesHonestly, as a dar main myself, I don't see urgot as all that toxic, even if he's a tad too strong. I hate zero counterplay champs (chimps really) like jax and irelia infinitely more.