Make Riven's Q cooldown start after the third Q

FalconPawwwwnch·Jul 14, 2015·97 votes·4,374 views

Right now the Cooldown is 13 seconds but it might as well be 5-6 seconds because she can use her first Q, then zone you ever 3 or 4 seconds with another Q, stun you, disengage, and then her Q is back up again. This gives her way too much lane control. Not to mention that fact that at 40% CDR Q's cooldown is 7.8 seconds, meaning if she waits the full time between Q's her Q has NO cooldown

You can even reduce the CD from 13 to 10 to compensate, at least that way she has a window of vulnerability

You made this change to Jayce's hypercharge so he couldn't abuse his damage, now do it to riven to tone down her oppressive laning

32 Comments

AnonagonJul 14, 201518 votes

Don't forget that Riven easily gets at least 20% cdr

her Q cooldown might as well not exist the way it currently is

HateDaddyJul 14, 201510 votes

Yeah its a silly mechanic honestly

You CAN play around it, but it requires you to basically be managing her cooldowns better than her. There's a lot wrong with Riven but quite frankly, this would be a good start.

Rito PonytailJul 14, 201510 votes

I'm ready for the hate. When stating one part of a champion's kit it will always sound op. For example, Nasus q is on a stupid low cool down and gives him damage practically anytime he uses it, and it's without a damage roof!

BeatzBoyFTWJul 14, 201511 votes

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I'm ready for the hate. When stating one part of a champion's kit it will always sound op. For example, Nasus q is on a stupid low cool down and gives him damage practically anytime he uses it, and it's without a damage roof!

You forgot to add "After 15-20 minutes"

Rito PonytailJul 14, 20158 votes

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You forgot to add "After 15-20 minutes"

For the purposes of explaining the bullshit of this thread, it fits the bill. Infact, it proves my entire point. Focusing in on one thing of a champion is not how to evaluate whether or not it's balanced. When deciding to nerf or buff a champion you look at everything about them.

SmokinSickStyleJul 14, 20153 votes

Of perfect last hitting with said ability, because, you know, if you got stomped the entire game, after 20 minutes you'd be lucky to have 100 stacks.

ArkenStormJul 14, 20152 votes

this only holds true if you are trying to give evidence for the champion being op by only using one part of the kit. the OP is stating that, regardless of what people think of riven, having a manaless basic ability that functionally has little to no cooldown is dumb. they made the same change on master yi's q, why should it not apply here?

but if you want to discuss riven, please, lets combine her q with her dash+shield, aoe stun, extra damage and long-ranged projectile on her ult(although they did nerf missile speed which is insanely helpful actually)

Guy Fox TeemoJul 14, 20155 votes

See the thing with riven is, she isn't actually that strong, she's actually pretty dam weak, the only way she ever does well is if you animation cancel which for most people is pretty fucking hard (In my opinion) without it riven is almost complete shit. :P, I suggest Riot remove her animation canceling then balance her then.

kile147Jul 14, 20154 votes

This is mostly right, though animation canceling on her really isn't that hard. As long as you weave autoattacks into her Q's and cancel the lag animation on her AA (which is really long) then you can get her damage up to pretty obscene levels. Any halfway decent Riven player can use her well enough to deal some pretty crazy damage.

I Miss CannonJul 14, 20152 votes

I find it questionable when people tell me animation cancering is hard to pull off, lol

EvilRabbittJul 14, 20151 votes

The funny bit is if that you are really good at animation cancelling ("good" being setting a hotkey to emote during your skills, which instantly ends the animation and instantly applies its effects) you actually don't get to do that 1 second 100-0 people talk about. Apparently you need attack speed or tiamat >.<

FadedpfJul 14, 20155 votes

Hold on wait a second. Riven has cooldowns?

I GANK LANESJul 14, 20154 votes

Make riven's q have an increase CD if she doesn't hit an enemy target

metaworldpeace10Jul 14, 20152 votes

Riven's laning isn't where she's most oppressive.

HateDaddyJul 14, 201541 votes

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Riven's laning isn't where she's most oppressive.

lol

Curling VeigarJul 14, 201532 votes

He's right. She's oppressive throughout the entire game, lol.

BattleBalladeerJul 14, 20159 votes

This is actually true, but to me metaworld is actually right. Given that the person laning against Riven actually knows how to fight her, AND is playing a potential counter to her (theres a lot more than you'd think, but mostly you need to just rush armor and maybe lifesteal as an ad top) the real problem I have against a Riven is when she realizes that I know how to fight her- so she gets mad and starts roaming at 10-15 mins and starts farming my team's bot and mid laners who have not built any armor because they are busy doing their lanes and not worrying about Riven (except maybe the supp). And even if I follow, Riven's damage and overloaded mobility/utility kit will always get her kills off squishies in early-mid game.

EvilRabbittJul 14, 20155 votes

Riven is the Katarina of ad land. At first I thought it was Fiora, then I realized....Riven will always get fed, just like Katarina.

WimbledofyJul 14, 20152 votes

except that riven is harder to play. I can get fed as fiora or kat any day in a game that the enemy isn't already super fed with too much cc. If i were to play riven against a team that is even slightly ahead I probably wouldn't be able to get any kills unless their adc was someone without any good escapes. If we are talking about a riven main though than sure she will get fed, but you don't really have to main kat to get those easy pentas.

EvilRabbittJul 15, 20153 votes

I don't deny that. Just saying that usually when she gets ahead, she pulls the Katarina. Kills for days.

Meeks011Jul 15, 20152 votes

Hahaha, I thought you were serious there for a moment.

SaiannaJul 14, 20152 votes

But she has high mana price to spam Q

"Dun nurf mah ez top laneh plase!"

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VeraskaJul 14, 20152 votes

Somebody once told me on the forums that rivens weakness was that "she sacrifices damage for her to close the gap) that made sense to me, so if you shifted some of the damage from her Q to her passive and made it so her passive didn't stack, she'd lose out on a ton of potential damage (2 qs and 2 empowered auto attacks worth) to reach you

This combined with the cool down starting on the 3rd q wouldn't hurt riven maximum damage potential (if you get in her face or she Es to you) but it would help with that situation where you know she can kill you so you have to stay a considerable amount of distance away from her

That's my opinion at least. Make the "sacrifices damage to close the gap" weakness something you can actually work with

JellyConeJul 14, 20151 votes

Or make it so that you have to use all 3 instances of it in a certain duration, instead of being able to use an instance of it every 4 seconds, resetting the timer.

Avios1Jul 14, 20151 votes

"Shes Healthy" - Every riven main ever (FIX THE DANG BUG WITH HER Q TOO)

HighKingOfSkyrimJul 14, 20151 votes

I like this idea... if this gets implemented i would go as far and say she can have 8 secs on Q so 4,8 secs with 40% cdr... this still would mean i know when she cant hop around like a maniac

CasterGilgameshJul 14, 20151 votes

i feel like riot needs to reduce the distance for her first 2 jumps but still let her have a longer 3rd jump riven has just a bit too much mobility

rtbf209142555Jul 14, 20151 votes

I disagree with making it that long. However it is really frustrating trying to trade with a Riven so what if they made it so that after you use up all three AAs the CD gets reduced while making it start on third Q?

SpecterVonBarenJul 15, 20151 votes

Just make it so the CD increases if you q away from someone so she can't just bunny hop all over the map when she's caught out.

Shadow GilgameshJul 15, 20151 votes

I dunno how hard it would be to code, but having the CD refresh on each cast would work. That way she has an actual time of vulnerability, but she's not newly punished for not casting it a second or third time (however long the stack lasts + the moves CD)

Meeks011Jul 15, 20151 votes

No, then I can't get pentas as easily. I need that low cooldown to one-shot one champion after another.

BeoridasJul 15, 20151 votes

i remember making a riven 0 4 at 15 min. she then spent THE ENTIRE GAME to try to last hit anyone with her R execute. these freakin riven players have such a mega huge YOLO DREAMGASM its unreal. and thats because they knew how stupid it will get if they only get ONE kill.