The discrepancy between AD and AP champs makes me want to stop playing....

xxxMadLionxxx·Feb 8, 2018·21 votes·1,188 views

I was playing Diana and I got fed early. I was like 18-6 and blowing up squishies. Then I saw a Yas, I went all in expecting the same results.

I was blown away by this Yas. Not only did I not burst him, he killed me and I hardly did any damage to him. Puzzled I thought maybe I did not land my Q or maybe I did not use my E for the small knock up. So I went at him again. All in, the results were the same. I went at him like three times more and still was not really doing any damage.

Then I look at his items. . I little mr and life steal is all it takes for this Yas to nullify a fed Diana's damage.

I'm tired of the blatancy AD champs have over AP.

Sadly, this has driven me to the point where I no longer feel like playing because it was not a one time thing, I went at this Yas like 4 times just to make sure and I hardly did any damage each time. And I was fed.

30 Comments

Rayjay RedfangFeb 8, 20189 votes

That's just yasuo tbh. It doesn't matter if you are fed and he is behind. He just needs item 3031 item 3046 to be able to kill things.

JabaTheHatFeb 8, 20184 votes

Yasuo is one of them but it's not just yasuo --- the best dueling 1v1 champs in the game are all AD --- master yi, trynd, yasuo, fiora, jax, etc.

They have 1v1 as their strength but they also as teamfighting as their weakness. That's why even though they're the best at 1v1ing all the above champs are only bad or average at winning the game right now.

The opposite of this would be mages, esp the the long ranged ones. They would die to everything 1v1, yet they do so much in teamfights that it evens out.

OP needs to understand different categories of champs are designed to be better or worse at different things you do in the game.

LyingOnLineFeb 8, 20187 votes

You built poorly and ran your face into someone who built well.

RainbowIceeFeb 8, 20183 votes

not only that a diana that kills squishies before they get to do anything against her is complaining. This is like an akali player complaining that she can't nuke tanks. It is fair for a skirmisher to beat diana, it's only more worrisome if you read OP he kept on trying the same thing over and over again like seriously OP doesn't even use tactics he just dragging his ball sac on the keyboard expecting results. He beats you once learn, second time okay that was just another try. But to keep doing? OP did more wrong here i feel.

KaiokoFeb 8, 20185 votes

You're complaining that you don't have any burst when you're building Nashor's and taking lethal tempo on Diana?

BârdFeb 9, 20184 votes

Diana item 3124 item 3115 item 3020 item 3089 item 1056 item 3057 level 15, 18/12/3 Teemo MissFortune Zed LeeSin

Yasuo item 3139 item 3046 item 3006 item 3031 item 3072 item 1038 level 18, 14/4/7 Velkoz Lux Draven Pantheon

The issue here isn't itemization being imbalanced, it's how you played the match. Just off this info, tons of mistakes.

The enemy has no tanks. You don't need to play on-hit Diana, you need something with actual burst.
Yasuo was getting fed just as fast as you were, yet you didn't spec into a single point of armor. Hell, you neglected to buy any form of defense whatsoever. No HP, no armor, no MR, no vamp... nothing.
Deathcap is a luxury item for the late game. Stop buying it second.
Your comp has no lockdown. Your only hard CC's are Lee R and Diana E.
You went all-in on the early-mid game with that comp, and you didn't manage to snowball the team.
Rageblade Diana isn't good here.
Despite knowing that you were going AS Diana, you still opted for spell pen boots, when Tabi would be more beneficial in an all-in.
Lethal Tempo.
You died too much. So much that you missed three levels worth of XP.

Villainous VFeb 8, 20183 votes

You were fairly squishy because you built full AP and yasuo had the shield from BT and his passive and the passive reduction of PD. Also. I've seen fed diana's If you truly were as fed as you say you were you should've bursted him down with no problem. If you didn't it's more a mistake on your side. Not only that, but from looking at the charts the Swain was a bigger threat than yasuo, as he was more fed, and put out more damage than him. But clearly those AD champs are op.

xxxMadLionxxxFeb 8, 20183 votes

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You were fairly squishy because you built full AP and yasuo had the shield from BT and his passive and the passive reduction of PD. Also. I've seen fed diana's If you truly were as fed as you say you were you should've bursted him down with no problem. If you didn't it's more a mistake on your side. Not only that, but from looking at the charts the Swain was a bigger threat than yasuo, as he was more fed, and put out more damage than him. But clearly those AD champs are op.

I understand why I couldn't kill him. I'm just saying the itemization for AP kinda sucks if it results in a fed Diana not being able to kill yas or hardly do any damage.

Villainous VFeb 8, 20183 votes

Ok, but from looking at your build, you were building more AS AP hybrid than burst AP as you bought a rageblade and were running lethal tempo. Meaning that a decent portion of your damage is coming from AA's not your abilities. So what this means is that a champion like Yasuo who is a strong AA duelist beat you as Diana who was building fairly AA based.

SuperspickFeb 9, 20181 votes

This is disingenuous. You built Rageblade and took Lethal Tempo, selecting a sustained damage style that she is not as good at into a 100% crit Yasuo with 12% less damage taken (so your already low burst from low AP is even less effective) and expected to win it.

This was you not understanding how to build or how to change your engage based on the game.

No onhit Diana build would beat Yasuo with that build. You could have had 3 levels on him, and if that's your build he still wins. 100% crit plus two shields and 12% damage reduction. 12% damage reduction on top of him having close to 80-90 MR...

Your build sank you. That's what you need to focus on, not itemization imbalances that -do- exist but were not at fault here. This is a fed Diana that threw a lot of gold away into looking good/unique instead of being effective, so really, she wasn't that fed comparatively.

Yaśuo MainFeb 8, 20183 votes

Any replay? Honestly. I can go 2/1/0 against a Diana with no kills, have 10 or more CS, and still almost die to her. I must be doing something wrong, especially if I had that exact same build and actually start LOSING against her mid to late game.

edit: Checked game. Not only did he have MORE THAN TWICE your CS (every 15 cs or so is about a kills worth of gold, you had 123 he had 282), but you also built no defense against him while HE did against you, you weren't even full build like he was, he was level 18 while you were level 15, AND you had 3x his deaths (he had 4 you had 12). What the fuck?? Of course you couldn't burst him normally you were MASSIVELY behind. Not to mention his team could have had baron at the time AS WELL, since his team killed baron and not yours.

AR URFFeb 8, 20182 votes

In a patch from now if it goes live, Mages are going to excel.

LauchmelderFeb 8, 20187 votes

Not really. Build paths get better and they get a new item, but overall nothing's gonna change much.

AR URFFeb 8, 20182 votes

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Not really. Build paths get better and they get a new item, but overall nothing's gonna change much.

with 48 magic pen and an item that gives 40% that's quite a bit.

LauchmelderFeb 8, 20181 votes

I take you have played it on the PBE then?

BârdFeb 9, 20181 votes

I have. Hello.

Can't speak for most of the roster, but DoT mages and artillery champs are beyond stupid because of item 3151 item 3116

You've heard of Morde ulting for over 100% of somebody's HP, but at least he has to ult.

Xerath Ziggs can poke from miles away, each jab burning for 12% max HP on top of the spell. passive lasts 4 seconds, so Liandry's will burn for 7. This means 28% max HP burn, not even counting his base burn damage. Same goes for Malzahar , except he can refresh his DoT if he tags the guy with Q or R. Teemo doesn't even need item 3151 to do it since his shrooms already slow.

Don't get me started about Annie and how much tibbers loves to hug.

LauchmelderFeb 9, 20181 votes

That's because 1 item is broken. Liandry's is too strong, the rest is just a powershift between items.

nm1010Feb 8, 20189 votes

Every time someone says they added mpen on the pbe I manage to lose even more faith in the LoL player base. Unless something changed today the mpen on Liandries was removed and a new item (Evil Tome) was made with 15 pen.

AirKingNeoFeb 9, 20181 votes

Lol what? Lost Chapter gets buffed, Morello is replaced by a more effective Ludens, and AP items got way cheaper and still get strong effects.

PhantomPranksterFeb 8, 20182 votes

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I was playing Diana and I got fed early. I was like 18-6 and blowing up squishies. Then I saw a Yas, I went all in expecting the same results.

I was blown away by this Yas. Not only did I not burst him, he killed me and I hardly did any damage to him. Puzzled I thought maybe I did not land my Q or maybe I did not use my E for the small knock up. So I went at him again. All in, the results were the same. I went at him like three times more and still was not really doing any damage.

Then I look at his items. . I little mr and life steal is all it takes for this Yas to nullify a fed Diana's damage.

I'm tired of the blatancy AD champs have over AP.

Sadly, this has driven me to the point where I no longer feel like playing because it was not a one time thing, I went at this Yas like 4 times just to make sure and I hardly did any damage each time. And I was fed.

do you know what phantom dancer does?

VICKLIUSFeb 8, 20181 votes

yas needs adjust anyway, https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/UNtn1kff-yasuo-wind-wall-nerf-idea https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/NUAGYJAO-yasuo-passive-adjust-buff

VICKLIUSFeb 8, 20181 votes

also maybe next time vs yas get randuins/ thornmail

DisembarkFeb 8, 20181 votes

Video? I wanna see this with my own eyes because I’m guessing there’s is a LOT more to this that isn’t being explained.

I wanna see gold on each champ, levels, gold spent (more important), and abilities hit.

BobaFlautistFeb 8, 20181 votes

I mean yeah Yasuo will win in a duel, but Diana has a more straightforward teamfight contribution, and generally has an easier time than Yasuo getting on and deleting squishies.

I had a game recently where I was Shyvana against Yi. We both got fed out of our damn minds, but he was able to farm more and was up a level or two for most of the game. It got to the point where he could just walk into my jungle and take my buffs, because he was such a threat, and I didn't have the power to duel him - Shyv has decent dueling, but her 1v1 is nowhere near strong enough to beat Yi that's ahead of her.

But I played to my team, I did massive damage, and we destroyed them. Yi was stronger than me 1v1, but through superior play and better teamfight contributions, I kicked his shit in.

Tl;Dr 1v1ing isn't everything, and it's ridiculous that you ran face first into three duels after losing the first - that's feeding that is. Just because a champion can beat you 1v1 when you're fed doesn't mean the champ is op, and it definitely doesn't mean that the massive corporation Riot Games is intentionally damaging their own damn product because of some weird internal bias. Christ Almighty, I hope you never play against a Jax.

xelakerFeb 8, 20181 votes

THIS ISN'T A TEAM GAME! when will you people realize this?

BobaFlautistFeb 8, 20181 votes

Huh?

The Smite GodFeb 8, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I was playing Diana and I got fed early. I was like 18-6 and blowing up squishies. Then I saw a Yas, I went all in expecting the same results.

I was blown away by this Yas. Not only did I not burst him, he killed me and I hardly did any damage to him. Puzzled I thought maybe I did not land my Q or maybe I did not use my E for the small knock up. So I went at him again. All in, the results were the same. I went at him like three times more and still was not really doing any damage.

Then I look at his items. . I little mr and life steal is all it takes for this Yas to nullify a fed Diana's damage.

I'm tired of the blatancy AD champs have over AP.

Sadly, this has driven me to the point where I no longer feel like playing because it was not a one time thing, I went at this Yas like 4 times just to make sure and I hardly did any damage each time. And I was fed.

Play akali if you want a champion that sustain like mad!!! I mean akali shit on yasuo

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 8, 20181 votes

Hmm. He had a defensive item (Half of Merc, and PD is half-defensive. .5+.5=1). And an offensive item that has minor defensive parts (Shield on BT). And then possibly a item 3111 ...

And that's ignoring the fact that he was probably equally fed...

iDarkWindFeb 8, 20181 votes

Funny, everytime I faced a fed Diana I actually got one shotted in a single rotation of spells most of the times. I don't know how your example shows the discrepancy between AD and AP to behonest, you didn't told us what was your build, LVL and runes and neither Yasuo's. We don't know all the circunstances to discuss the case.