is a thing. can we maybe get something similar for champions who DON'T build attack damage and lethality?
I know as a support it really sucks that i can only clear like 1 (2 if i'm super lucky) ward per use of my 
. Not that i don't find more, but that my champion attacks so freaking slow that i can't land 6 basics before the item runs it's course.
For real. Much as I hate how hard it is to maintain vision lately it's annoying that the midlane assassin has more power over vision dominance (the support's job) than the supports do.
This ability should never have been given to fucking assassins in the first place.
It flat out removes a part of what little counterplay they have just buy having this ability.
for me this 3 ward limit is just stupid af,i preffer old time warding no matter what.
I brought this exact point up and got so much criticism for it. The points against me were that AP supports can build things like redemption for long range aoe healing, ardent censor for shield/stat boosting, Mikaels Crucible for a cleanse, and Athene's Unholy Grail for shield/healing boosting.
Having their own unique way of utility boosting should be allowed, which seems fair to me. However, with vision being SOOOOO important and having fights revolve entirely around it, it just feels so bad with a huge part of your influence in the game being put at a huge disadvantage.
Be nice too if wards and pots had a separate spot rather than the main 6 slots. It sucks when you're full build with 6 items and you can't buy a pink ward.
is awful and these type of items need to be removed, not expanded on.
This passive does way too much for the player.
1.) Lets you know when you can be seen
2.) Reveals the ward for you
3.) Lets you kill it in one hit
Shit I've been occasionally building this on supports because of how busted this passive is.
I'm not even sure an additional item would be needed. I think that perhaps the sweeping lens trinket could be adapted into a tiered item, with supports paying more gold to upgrade it to receive an extended duration of ward revealing, to compensate for supports who can't attack wards quickly. Or perhaps an effect that lowers the health of surrounding enemy wards during the reveal. Something that would keep the sweeping lens tricket accessible to other roles who might want to monitor enemy vision in their area, but allow junglers and supports who don't build lethality/ad to pay for increased efficiency.
Of course, this is just an idea. But I agree with the general concept that there should be more effective ways for non lethality/ad, slow-attacking supports to clear enemy vision.
Would be lovely is Riot let you buy Wards fromt he shop and plant as many as you like. And then add a De-warding item like the old Sweeper as an item too. So as a support you can ward up your whole jungle for 1000 gold, and also unward the enemy jungle as well. Maybe we can have a better game with more agressive plays if people don't have to play so safe and guess where the enemy jangler is all the time.
Have it work on wards Drop 10% cdr and give it some real stats even if the price has to go up https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_Sweeper_(Item)May Be it Dc's every 15 seconds after destroying a ward.
SUGGESTED NEW ITEM: BLINDSTONE (Icon - Ruby Sightstone wearing a Lee Sin blindfold) (or ELEISA"S BLINDSTONE if the proposed ACTIVE is included.)
40 AP 10% CDR 50% Mana Regeneration 10% Heal and Shield Unique Passive: Blackout Part 1 - Reveal all wards and traps - 45 second cooldown. Disabled in favor of Umbral version if that item is owned.
--- OPTIONAL CONSIDERATIONS --- Unique Passive: Blackout Part 2 - 50% Attack Speed vs wards and traps - Disabled in favor of Umbral version is that item is also owned. Unique Passive: Basic attacks deal 15 Magic Damage On Hit Unique Passive: Active Item CDR 10% Unique ACTIVE: Purchase up to 2 max fills at base of "Control Wards" at 75g each. Cannot purchase Control Wards in other item slot if owned.
Build Path:
Definitely needs to include
+ 
= 1650g for these two component items. Combine Cost totals presented below.
I think Active Item CDR on an item would be awesome to bring back. The 20% that old RSS had was a bit much - especially if combined with Ingenious Hunter so maybe 10%? But Active CDR only makes sense to add in the context of the next issue...
Blackout Part 2 seems to indicate that an AS item should be part of the build path and I really like this Part 2 because of the slow attack speed of most supports/mages. The only component item that makes any sense at all is Recurve Bow. But Recurve bow adds AS in general not just vs wards and also has on-hit bonus damage. Component item traits are rarely dropped from a final item and AS vs non-wards is not really necessary for supports (maybe Senna and Taric?). On Hit damage also is not really much of a bonus for most supports except maybe Senna Pyke and Taric. So for the combine, you either need to keep the AS in general AND the on-hit damage OR you need to have something bonus to replace them. Active Item CDR would be a useful substitution for these if Recurve is part of the completed item recipe. But Recurve also adds to the component cost to the point that it almost becomes a non-support price range. Recurve+FI+BW = 2650 with zero combine cost.
OPTION 1: 
+ + + ZERO COMBINE COST = 2650 total gold and gets all 3 of the above "OPTIONAL" PASSIVES.
OPTION 2: + + 450 combine cost = 2100g and gets ONLY "Blackout Part 2" from the optional passives.
OPTION 3: + + 650 combine cost = 2300g and gets "Blackout Part 2" and the Active Item CDR.
Also, for any of the above, add (+150???) to combine cost if you want to add the possible unique active control ward slots. The biggest downside to adding a control ward active to an item is that it might end up becoming viewed as a mandatory item for all non-AD supports.
I valuate the Active Item CDR as 200 based on SS vs Ruby SS. Ruby SS was SS + 
(400) + 400 and gave an extra 200 health beyond the Ruby Crystal in addition to the extra ward in addition to the Item CDR.
POACHING: This item will be bought by all enchanters and probably all "AP damage supports". It might be bought by some AP Midlaners. Especially AP Assassins like Fizz and Leblanc who don't care about AD/Lethality. It almost definitely would be bought by some/all AP Junglers. Elise and Evelyn would definitely buy an AP+Blackout item. Ivern would definitely buy. Nunu might. Cho might but probably not (does Cho passive get +heal bonus?). Some AP Midlaners would not be interested in filling an item slot that has only 40 AP and the CDR and mana regen and heal/shield power are not stats they would be going for either.
Final thoughts... I would love to see both this item and Umbral have the +150 cost and get "Control Ward Active" option. Adding a "Control Ward Active" to both these items would also probably satisfy a lot of junglers that wish they still had tracker's knife. Especially 
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Wards right now are so trash, unless your gonna allow 5 wards to be placed and 2 controls. Then no. We don't need anymore dewarding in any way.
Oracle has a 60s CD in late game, if you run ingenious hunter it's 36 seconds, so, no we do not need more items to remove vision.
What? no we have an issue of lack of vision right now why would we increase vision removal tools further?
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I know as a support it really sucks that i can only clear like 1 (2 if i'm super lucky) ward per use of my
If anything, this game needs more vision, not less. Pretty dumb that as a jungler I can have a pyke constantly harassing my jungle with his rengar and I can't do a single thing about it because they are provided far more vision clear than I can keep up with to prevent dying to the torrent of invades this meta has brought on the jungle.
