Why everytime fiora gets nerfed she get a buff immediately

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Yeah she IS a bully which is EXACTLY the problem with her.

That's simply not true though, which is why you think there's a problem with her when there really isn't.

She is a bully against more than half of the roster and has no losing matchup against the other half as someone who becomes unstoppable 1v1 even 1v2 sometimes after only two items.

Fiora bullies 2, 3 champions maximum when even. Everything else is a skill matchup, barring Pantheon where she gets wrecked.

And a slightly worse teamfight because of lack of hard CC and AOE damage just doesn'T justify that.

Not because of lack of hard CC and AoE damage - it's because of a SHIT gapcloser and squishy. She will never reach the backline, and will thus melt instantly in a teamfight.

If you look up my profile you see who my main is so i might be a bit biased in that regard but seeing how someone with a godlike mid-lategame who ACTUALLY needs 4 items is a Q bot for the first 15 mins it's hard to understand how fiora is allowed to be a lanebully for how hard she scales.

But Fiora isn't a lanebully -_-

And she doesn't scale that well because she can't teamfight (unless it happens to just be a 10 man clown fiesta which cannot be really called a teamfight). But by then you could say Pantheon or Tryndamere is a good teamfighter.

Even as Gangplank, you can probably bully out most of the juggernauts via range, and when played well can 1v1 a lot of people without very strong early games. Gangplank's damage also becomes notable the moment he gets Triforce (where if allowed to get multiple Q's off, preferably max range, he will easily take out most of the roster). Gangplank's ability to take out 1/3 of your health from range means that if you can't engage on him, his early isn't actually that bad (as long as he doesn't try to engage stupidly after using his combo).

Gangplank against Fiora is actually a purely skill matchup until the early midgame where she gets a lot stronger, but later on you outscale even harder (3 items) because you won't even need to get into Q range to do massive damage anymore.

As someone who only plays Kled only on ARAM (so basically, only in teamfighting situations), I can say he has one of the best engages you can ask for. No distance is "safe" enough. Enemy team needs to check baron? There is no way of doing that safely. Someone gets picked off? Unless you have 2+ disengage champs, youre going to be fighting a 4v5. He is also amazing at getting to the backline, and provides that extra "ooph" for your engage. (you dont need to wait for a Gragas or someone to land a bodyslam or wait for your Annie to have Flash to run people down).

As for Tryn - I agree. His teamfight presence is pretty bad. But guess what? He is also another tank counter, bruiser counter, and squishy counter. Is he useless in a teamfight? Not really. He can still flank. And youre vastly underestimating how strong -80AD on all 5 members of the enemy team can be.

Again, no champion is useless in a teamfight. There are those who are better, and there are those who are worse. Fiora is near the bottom of the table for teamfighting champions since her rework. That doesnt mean she cant do anything - its just that her real strengths lie elsewhere.

I mean, you can probably count the list of champions worse than Fiora in a teamfight with your hands (I can think of Aatrox, Udyr, Tryn, and Morde, with Xin, Camille, and Eve depending on how strong or weak they are on that particular patch. Honorable mention to Shaco, Teemo, and Nasus). When youre comparing her to the bottom tier of teamfighting champions, that means shes pretty terrible at it.

She's not "bad" at team fighting, per se, but she's certainly not good at it, either.

She sucks against anyone who can out-maneuver or out-range her (which, right now, is just about anyone in the game. She literately cannot function without right now, as she can never proc all of her ultimate without killing someone on the first hit). Or anyone with instant CC. Seriously, just play Annie or Ahri if you see Fiora in the game.

Hell, she's actually not always that good against tanks. She consistently lost to Singed before they buffed him. Singed, of all people. Back when he was considered a joke, and you were called a troll for picking him.

And, let's be realistic. If Fiora's bad, Cho'gath (and other insanely tanky champions with absurd amounts of damage and CC) just gets that much worse. She's one of the few people able to fight him in late game (the others being and ).

Kennen, Kayle, Pantheon, quinn are matchups fiora loses pretty hard against in lane.

Jax, Darius, Riven, Rumble, Jayce, Yasuo, Irelia are Skill matchups in lane.

Vs tanks she generally performs well.

Also, I meant jungle yi, if there happens to be one on the enemy team, Yi can easily 1v1 fiora in the lategame in a couple auto attacks.

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Your "breakdown" at best is a half-assed attempt at equating negligible buffs

Not interested in what you think a good buff is compared to a bad buff.

My point was he gets buffs alongside nerfs and that statement has yet to be refuted.

Ekko ult isn't "ultra high range" - it's barely 1 screen at most unless you use it with teleport or to return to lane after backing

Translation: "It's not ultra high range except when it is"

It's also the most telegraphed skillshot in the game.

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Plus, if you count the total number of nerfs that he's received Ekko has received far more nerfs, and of much greater magnitude, than he has buffs.

Strawman argument.

I don't remember saying otherwise, the entire argument is that he gets buffed and nerfed at the same time, which is what is often referred to as "Adjust" rather than either one. You can think that this is not the case but you would be wrong, the data does not lie.

Etc etc. Victriam, gg.

Where're you getting your statistics from? His playrate is nowhere near 15% and his winrate is a decent bit less than 50%.