Fiora hidden power

Lord Kuma·Sep 25, 2016·6 votes·702 views

Why the fuck does Fiora have 50% AS slow on her W?? why the fuck does a champion like Fiora who does the most toxic damage in the game(%hp true damage) have AS slow? why? does she really need that AS slow? isn't enough that shes fucking dashes every 2 second? and she auto wins late game just because she has % true damage? didn't we remove Darius' AS slow from his W because melee's couldn't fight back? i mean old Darius late game was so bad u could just literally afk in the tower till u out scale him. but Fiora? why?

Riot HAS to remove her AS slow, it just too much to deal with her BS kit

38 Comments

AstôlfoSep 25, 20168 votes

First of all, % health true damage isn't toxic. All champions with it are balanced around said fact they have it.

It's an AS slow because Riposte is meant to emulate a parry in fencing in real life. It's a counter-attack after an attack to which the narrow blade pierces through and strikes at what's usually an organ or some other important part. I'd say that's fairly crippling, no?

Also, the actual slow doesn't happen until her animation shows her jabbing forwards. The skillshot is clearly laid out.

She doesn't dash every 2 seconds even at max Q rank unless she builds CDR.

She doesn't auto-win lategame. You're drunk.

On the other hand, Darius can actually build mostly tank and use his passive to deal the majority of the damage, and he's a juggernaut, not a duelist. He didn't need an AS slow that he could perma-proc on any target unfortunate enough to get caught by him once.

What's with the recent upsurge of Fiora QQ threads?

WarpesSep 25, 20162 votes

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First of all, % health true damage isn't toxic.

.......wat

She doesn't dash every 2 seconds even at max Q rank unless she builds CDR.

there are fioras that dont?...

She doesn't auto-win lategame. You're drunk.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

a bronze 4 telling it like it is folks.

AstôlfoSep 25, 20164 votes

They do build CDR, I'm just saying it's misleading to phrase it that way as if they get 2s CD for free without effort, when they have to hit a target, have max rank, and have a fair bit of CDR.

tfw an unranked player talks about ranks Have a better argument or are you just going to rely on petty ad hom?

WarpesSep 25, 20161 votes

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?

They do build CDR, I'm just saying it's misleading to phrase it that way as if they get 2s CD for free without effort, when they have to hit a target, have max rank, and have a fair bit of CDR.

tfw an unranked player talks about ranks Have a better argument or are you just going to rely on petty ad hom?

LOL

this isn't my main account, derp. but tfw even unranked is still considered drastically better than bronze 4... and bronze 4 is proof of bad, unranked isnt.

and your statement was she doesn't get it unless max rank with cdr. my point was that ofc she gets cdr by max rank. no wonder you're a bronzie when you can't even follow your own bad logic

AstôlfoSep 25, 20163 votes

Okay, so... when are you going to present any actual valid points?

I mean, I can say like, Veigar can near instantly deal 4355 every 44 seconds. That means nothing until I say that it's with 1000 AP, 45% CDR, E-Q-W-R, not factoring in resistances/MR pen.

Same thing here. You can say she dashes every 2 seconds, which sounds all fine and dandy and OP or whatever else you want to call it.

And then you factor in the part where she has to hit an enemy target, have max rank on her Q, and needs 37.5% CDR to achieve said dashes every 2 seconds. Except no Fiora build has that normally, considering all her most common and most successful builds have only a Black Cleaver (20% CDR). Which means it's only every 2.56 seconds instead.

You are honestly pitiable. You have no valid arguments and don't even understand basic logic or how to interpret common English, and resort to petty insults and fallacies to try and back yourself up.

Please go educate yourself next time before you attempt to speak on something you are entirely ignorant about. Thanks. :)

The EcdysiastSep 25, 20162 votes

Clearly he doesn't need to, since you easily presented the points that prove him right. Nevermind your unreasonable harassment or your inability to read what is obviously an exaggeration, but you literally just proved that it's nowhere near impossible to do what the OP claimed in the first place.

AstôlfoSep 25, 20162 votes

Except... he had no valid points. And I brought up actual data and valid points to disprove his flimsy attempt at defending his tears?

The EcdysiastSep 26, 20162 votes

The only thing you proved was a 0.56 second difference between his exaggeration and the actual cooldown of her dash in most games.

And then proceeded to harass him because you think that's a big enough difference to say he knows nothing, when it isn't.

AstôlfoSep 26, 20161 votes

lmao

That wasn't even the only thing I was talking about. He claimed % health true is toxic, which is incorrect. He also claimed Fiora is auto-win late which is so incredibly incorrect it's pathetic.

The EcdysiastSep 27, 20161 votes

It's not incorrect at all. Vayne has consistently been top of the ADC winrates just to disprove that point.

As for Fiora, they had to gut her ultimate's heal just to account for the true damage it deals.

AstôlfoSep 27, 20161 votes

"Vayne" "consistently been top of the ARC winrates"

I think you should stop drinking.

The EcdysiastSep 27, 20161 votes

You must just be really new to the game. Sorry for ever thinking you had the experience to argue with older players.

AstôlfoSep 27, 20161 votes

Bwahahahaha. Alright buddy. Stay ignorant. :) But then don't presume to start a debate on something you know nothing about.

The EcdysiastSep 27, 20161 votes

You've done nothing but prove you:

Like to harass strangers on the internet, Don't know how to formulate an argument with points that support it, Don't know the overall history of champion winrates.

AstôlfoSep 27, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

Man, reading data or taking 30 seconds to look it up must be so hard, right? Pffft.

Educate yourself child, and then speak.

WarpesSep 25, 20161 votes

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Clearly he doesn't need to, since you easily presented the points that prove him right. Nevermind your unreasonable harassment or your inability to read what is obviously an exaggeration, but you literally just proved that it's nowhere near impossible to do what the OP claimed in the first place.

no point arguing with a bronze 4 who actually thinks that highly of himself and is too dense to see his own contradictions, mate. just ignore the bad kid

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yeah, because all people can immediately tell when you're on a smurf

not that difficult to look someone up like i did to find out his rank. takes about 3 seconds to see that i don't play this account, broji.

oh wait, looking me up is exactly what he did tho xD

AstôlfoSep 26, 20162 votes

The irony of someone like you thinking it can talk down to others is hilariously adorable. Carry on, my pet. Show me those tears. :)

The EcdysiastSep 26, 20162 votes

Really, there's no point arguing with that guy. All he proved was that you were off by half a second on your exaggeration of her dash.

AstôlfoSep 26, 20161 votes

Or you know, you can just continue to ignore the other points as well. Nice.

WarpesSep 25, 20161 votes

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TL;DR wall of text trying entirely too hard to impress himself

lol you still have yet to present anything besides the fact that you have bronze logic, at best.

but thanks for trolling yourself by writing this much and still yet confirming everything i've said, cupcake

AstôlfoSep 26, 20162 votes

The irony is hilarious.

Thanks for confirming you have no valid insults and have to just rely on petty ad hom and other fallacies to try to back up your crying. It's cute. :)

By the by, I can offer you a referral to an English tutor. You seem like you need one very badly. :)

WarpesSep 26, 20162 votes

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The irony is hilarious.

Thanks for confirming you have no valid insults and have to just rely on petty ad hom and other fallacies to try to back up your crying. It's cute. :)

By the by, I can offer you a referral to an English tutor. You seem like you need one very badly. :)

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The irony of someone like you thinking it can talk down to others is hilariously adorable. Carry on, my pet. Show me those tears. :)

LOL oh man im dyin. this dude can't be fucking real

AstôlfoSep 26, 20161 votes

You're still here whining? Move on kid.

WarpesSep 26, 20161 votes

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You're still here whining? Move on kid.

lmfao

cope momentSep 25, 20163 votes

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LOL

this isn't my main account, derp.

yeah, because all people can immediately tell when you're on a smurf

Tychusfindlay919Sep 25, 20163 votes

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.......wat

there are fioras that dont?...

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

a bronze 4 telling it like it is folks.

The last quote in your post was right though. She isnt an auto win late game. she's a less safe veigar, why not just play veigar.

GibberwattSep 25, 20164 votes

Im guessing fiora is the flavor of the week, like crystal scepter was last week

paperbIadeSep 25, 20161 votes

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First of all, % health true damage isn't toxic. All champions with it are balanced around said fact they have it.

It's an AS slow because Riposte is meant to emulate a parry in fencing in real life. It's a counter-attack after an attack to which the narrow blade pierces through and strikes at what's usually an organ or some other important part. I'd say that's fairly crippling, no?

Also, the actual slow doesn't happen until her animation shows her jabbing forwards. The skillshot is clearly laid out.

She doesn't dash every 2 seconds even at max Q rank unless she builds CDR.

She doesn't auto-win lategame. You're drunk.

On the other hand, Darius can actually build mostly tank and use his passive to deal the majority of the damage, and he's a juggernaut, not a duelist. He didn't need an AS slow that he could perma-proc on any target unfortunate enough to get caught by him once.

What's with the recent upsurge of Fiora QQ threads?

fiora is a late game champ

http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora

AstôlfoSep 25, 20163 votes

So what?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20163 votes

she is over loaded and hard to deal with in lane.

Big LincolnSep 25, 20163 votes

agreed, AS slow is completely unnecessary when her riposte is already one of the best defensive tools in the game without it

paperbIadeSep 25, 20161 votes

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agreed, AS slow is completely unnecessary when her riposte is already one of the best defensive tools in the game without it

don't forget true damage

Big LincolnSep 25, 20161 votes

as obnoxious as her true damage is I can at least justify it as being Fiora's only real way of dealing with tanks and bruisers, while not giving her more ridiculous damage against squishier targets.

the only alternative here would be to give her % phys damage, but then it'd need to scale hard enough she'd probably just go back to building half-tank like at the start of her rework, and she'd just become another generic squishy-killing bruiser.

tbh I'd rather just nerf her passive so that it never faces towards her in lane, if riot wants her to work for her true damage that would be a good start and probably open some more room for them to make her a little less polar

AstôlfoSep 25, 20161 votes

That implies her passive is a problem/that it needs nerfs though...?

Big LincolnSep 25, 20162 votes

the RNG is an issue and it shouldn't favor her just by how potent it is. if it faces towards her then you effectively get zoned until you leave her range or it times out. this would be an easy change to open her up to compensation buffs elsewhere, I don't see any other nerf having the same justification

Poppy Zac have their passive spawns move towards enemies/away from them in lane; there's no reason Fiora shouldn't follow the same logic

PermabannedGarenSep 26, 20162 votes

Fiora's W is an auto attack speed slow because she needs some answer to guys like Tryndamere or to an extent (in that he also has a stun that can be countered) Jax. She already gets stomped by those champions late game in a 1v1 and can even lose early, but without the slow she'd be destroyed by them.

CerealBoxOfDoomSep 25, 20161 votes

... +1 just because someone grasped the concept of hidden power lol

TyrekGoldenspearSep 27, 20161 votes

But, just CC her!

Get's CC'ed right back and gets murdered

Um, Kite her!

Gets Lunged to death.

1v1 her!

Gets ulted and dies

Hit her with CC, and after her W finishes casting and stunning the first dude, everyone else throw their CC!

Catches Fiora in a CC lock and shuts her down.

Her "hidden power" is only effective 1v1 (or 1v2 if you and the jungler throw your CC at her at the same time, get out played and clobbered), and she's weak early phase. Punish her then.