So we are destroying darius early game

Lord Kuma·Jan 11, 2017·6 votes·1,145 views

and leave riven and jayce untouched? they do more damage early game and scales immensely while snowballing out of hand

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20 Comments

Raven is AliceJan 11, 20172 votes

Darius nerfs are silly. Do Darius players that can't land their Q really need to be nerfed more?

Joking aside, eh? I don't really feel like Darius is in a position where he should even be on the nerf radar but saying that the nerfs are going to "destroy" his early game is a exaggerating. At most it will kinda sorta maybe make him less oppressive.

KilanostJan 11, 20172 votes

You can't really play a melee champion against Darius unless you have something ranged that you can spam for farm. It feels as oppressive as early Zed did at midlane. nerfing his shaft damage lets melee champs at least try to trade with him...still i dont think this will balance out the feel of a melee v. darius lane.

Raven is AliceJan 11, 20171 votes

You can play around Darius' oppressiveness. You have to go into the lane knowing he's going to try and bully. They don't really need to "balance out" the feel of melee into Darius because Bronze is pretty much the only place I'd consider him an overpowered. I guess that's also the elo where the most Darius will be hitting with the shaft regularly enough for it to matter. Overall the nerfs likely won't do anything so I don't understand the purpose. But to that point he doesn't really need the nerfs so it's fine.

KilanostJan 11, 20171 votes

S6 you played 152 games on Darius at Gold elo with a 63.2% win rate. Apparently Darius works just fine for you at gold. Your next highest played champion is Poppy with a 54.5% win rate from last season. After that you have about 15 games played on your next 3 most played champions.

So, i'm going to just assume what you said above is biased AF and explain to you that yes you can play around it, but you can't play into it. Meaning you can hug your turret and hope your jungle camps. No champion should have that kind of straight up dominance in so many scenarios. Not even diamond top laners play against Darius thinking they're going to do anyhting but turret farm for the first 15 minutes of the game.

Raven is AliceJan 12, 20171 votes

I stopped playing ranked at gold because I only wanted it for the season rewards, which means I didn't really play Darius much at all in gold. Last season was my first season actually playing ranked so I had to start at Bronze 4. Most of those games are Bronze and Silver lol.

I am bias as fuck in saying that the nerfs likely won't do anything to him? You do know I posted her in opposition to the idea that the nerfs will "destroy" his early game right? He is very capable of being a strong champion, but he's only roflstomp in lower elo.

And to address the Darius winrate you posted elsewhere, quite sure his winrate went up with CotC, which is overtuned and getting more nerfs.

KilanostJan 12, 20171 votes

Half of my comments in reply to your post were frustration over the post below, my b. lol

Big LincolnJan 12, 20172 votes

There are plenty of melees without poke that can play into Darius just fine

Fiora Garen Jax Renekton Riven (good riven only)

I actually can't even think of another melee that doesn't have ranged farming; this is pretty much all of them. Jax and Renekton are iffy, but that's more because they've both been gutted; they used to counter Darius before nerfs.

who exactly gets completely and automatically shut out by Darius?

KilanostJan 12, 20171 votes

Hecarim Illaoi Irelia JarvanIV Jax Kled Mordekaiser Pantheon Rammus Shen Sion TahmKench Trundle Tryndamere Volibear MonkeyKing Aatrox Poppy Renekton Jax

Its only ranged farming if you can somewhat keep up and not run out of mana or if the range is so short that you just get hooked and die.

The PBE nerfs are long overdue and honestly probably insufficient. But at least its something to work with.

Big LincolnJan 12, 20171 votes

most of those champs can lane vs Darius. Shen can't but that's because he's terrible anyway. Same with Wukong; he can't lane vs anybody.

Aatrox beats him, so does Irelia and Jax, and Renekton would if he wasn't neutered, same with Trundle. Pantheon beats him hard in lane but falls off if Darius doesn't feed.

Darius is strong right now because he's a direct counter to the tank meta that came with CoC. His counters got pushed out of relevance, too; the CoC nerfs will probably make playing them more bearable, and he will fall in line on his own.

AhristocatsJan 12, 20171 votes

you forgot rumble and gangplank

Big LincolnJan 12, 20171 votes

i was listing the ones that don't have ranged poke

Lord KumaJan 11, 20171 votes

they nerfed his passive which is really big nerf for his overall potential and they nerfed darius thanks to low elo complaining about him non stop.

the game should never be balance around low elo NEVER..

Raven is AliceJan 11, 20171 votes

I mean, I agree sort of. I don't think the game should be balanced around Bronze, but I also don't think it should be balanced around super high elo either. The game needs to be accessible to the majority of players, but it also can't be made babymode with training wheels. People need to learn how to deal with oppressive match ups.

The lowered passive AD bonus is minimal. It's 10 AD lower from levels 1-13 and becomes the same from 14+ If you get your 5 stacks off on a target chances are they're probably not looking pretty and I don't think 10 less AD is going to change that. By that point your oppression has already started. Maybe you'll feel it occasionally, maybe it'll cause you to fail securing a kill every now and then but I don't know.

I only started playing a year or so ago. Last season was the first ranked season I was around for the entirety. Started playing tail late-mid to late season of season 5. Stopped playing ranked once I got to gold since I mostly only cared about getting the season rewards. Not sure what it's like higher up but I'm pretty sure Gold and lower at the very least will be virtually the same post Darius nerfs.

KilanostJan 12, 20171 votes

Yup I dont think its a big nerf at all. But peoople are coming out of the woodwork trying to say this is the end of days for Darius. Some dude even made an excel graph trying to show this....but it really didn't prove his point at all....in fact it really hurt it the more i think about it.

SquashCannonJan 12, 20171 votes

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Yup I dont think its a big nerf at all. But peoople are coming out of the woodwork trying to say this is the end of days for Darius. Some dude even made an excel graph trying to show this....but it really didn't prove his point at all....in fact it really hurt it the more i think about it.

And that thread has gained surprising traction considering how many people on the board suddenly started hating darius (which started after CoC was introduced).

KilanostJan 11, 20171 votes

Oh look, another darius 1 trick. This one was diamond last season sporting a 61.2% win rate on darius with less than 10 games played on everyone else in ranked.

As things stand, yo boi Darius has a 54.31% win rate in DIAMOND. In fact, Diamond and Master are his highest win rates (Master was above 60%). His LOWEST win rate was in bronze. Second lowest Silver.

Looks like they were lookin at you with these nerfs, big boy. They got the scent. Expect more nerfs to come.

Anymore 1 trick Darius mains want to bitch about Darius nerfs on here?

KilanostJan 11, 20171 votes

Riven just got the nerf I wanted...base base CoC shield down. I'm willing to feel it out from there.

Lord KumaJan 11, 20171 votes

are u serious? i mean this is kinda dumb argument when she can use fervor and one combo u and snowball out hand

i mean there is 3 riven mains in top 10 challenger ladder that should tell a lot about that champion

KilanostJan 11, 20172 votes

The majority of those people were using CoC on riven. In fact, most Rivens I have played against have been using CoC. With the double shields she gets to trade for free.

One thing at a time, grasshopper.

SquashCannonJan 12, 20171 votes

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The majority of those people were using CoC on riven. In fact, most Rivens I have played against have been using CoC. With the double shields she gets to trade for free.

One thing at a time, grasshopper.

One thing at a time? Geee, well darius is one of the premier abusers of CoC, why dont we wait to see how CoC nerfs affect him before nerfing him? One thing at a time.